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Stripe raises $70M at $3.5B valuation, double that of January

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Re: Stripe raises $70M at $3.5B valuation, double that of January

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It seems churlish to keep pointing this out, but (assuming the investment is consistent with the typical Silicon Valley practice), it is just not true that this investment, or any participant, has now valued the company at $3.5 billion. Stripe has sold the investors a new round of senior preferred shares (again, making assumptions). These shares carry various bells and whistles whose terms we don't know -- but probab…

After reading through the quora article, I agree that different tranches may have different terms. However, if investors are buying 70M shares at $1 each, it implies that they believe a share of the company is worth that much. If the company has 3.5B shares, that's an implied valuation of $3.5B. In that sense, the investment does value the company at $3.5B. Whether that valuation (or a higher or lower one) is realize…

> However, if investors are buying 70M shares at $1 each, it implies that they believe a share of the company is worth that much.

Well, you need to unpack what "worth" means in that above sentence. If you're using some kind of probability distribution over expected future outcomes (say, using some present value future discounted cashflow model with a probability distribution of possible future cashflows), you can see that there are all these possible future worlds that Stripe can inhabit. In some of these, Stripe is making lots of money, and so the stock is "worth" a lot. In some of these, Stripe is crashing and burning. In those worlds, common stock is worthless. But the preferred stock isn't as badly off due to the 1x (or higher) liquidation preference, and the other terms. So the expected value of the preferred stock across all these worlds is higher than that of common, and imputing its value over common doesn't quite make sense.

Re: Stripe raises $70M at $3.5B valuation, double that of January

#42

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Thanks for reaching out. Unfortunately, it's a seasonal business so the bulk of our sales comes in November and December and needed to get something besides PayPal checkout implemented before the Thanksgiving rush. It was just dumbfounding how long it took sales@stripe.com to reply to my e-mails. The last e-mail we sent was November 25th at 5:50pm and didn't get a reply until November 30th at 5:03pm with "Thanks for…

What did you go with and how is it working out for you?

It's called PayStand and don't have any issues so far. Not sure if you're familiar. It works for what we need, a little higher of a rate we were looking to pay (we don't push the transaction fees to our customers which is an option of theirs), but had to implement something in time for the holidays.

Re: Stripe raises $70M at $3.5B valuation, double that of January

#43

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After reading through the quora article, I agree that different tranches may have different terms. However, if investors are buying 70M shares at $1 each, it implies that they believe a share of the company is worth that much. If the company has 3.5B shares, that's an implied valuation of $3.5B. In that sense, the investment does value the company at $3.5B. Whether that valuation (or a higher or lower one) is realize…

> However, if investors are buying 70M shares at $1 each, it implies that they believe a share of the company is worth that much. Well, you need to unpack what "worth" means in that above sentence. If you're using some kind of probability distribution over expected future outcomes (say, using some present value future discounted cashflow model with a probability distribution of possible future cashflows), you can see…

Agreed, that's why I've always thought of it as an implied valuation. Investors are going into it expecting upside, and the terms allow them to have a floor (regardless of what happens with common/ prior rounds), but I don't think they would make the investment if they felt an acquisition/ IPO/ other liquidity event would value each share of the company at less than what they paid for it. I don't think its unreasonable to use this to get to an implied total valuation.

Re: Stripe raises $70M at $3.5B valuation, double that of January

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What did you go with and how is it working out for you?

It's called PayStand and don't have any issues so far. Not sure if you're familiar. It works for what we need, a little higher of a rate we were looking to pay (we don't push the transaction fees to our customers which is an option of theirs), but had to implement something in time for the holidays.

Fascinating. Was completely expecting you to say Braintree. So they look a little like a blended monthly fee and transaction fees with the benefit/incentive being to help you drive as many transactions as you can via non CC options so you aren't paying 2.69% and 30 cents etc.

Re: Stripe raises $70M at $3.5B valuation, double that of January

#45
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FWIW I generally have had excellent customer service experiences with Stripe. Often receiving responses within an hour after sending them at 2 am. In fact, once an employee out of the blue sent me a mockup showing me how I might use a whole new feature, completely integrated into my sites js and html structure.

I was e-mailing sales@stripe so maybe that is a different department than their regular customer service. Sorry I did not clarify. I'm sure they're doing a lot of things right, I just had a bad personal experience.

Yeah I've actually emailed support about the same question and got a quick response back.

Re: Stripe raises $70M at $3.5B valuation, double that of January

#46

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It's called PayStand and don't have any issues so far. Not sure if you're familiar. It works for what we need, a little higher of a rate we were looking to pay (we don't push the transaction fees to our customers which is an option of theirs), but had to implement something in time for the holidays.

Fascinating. Was completely expecting you to say Braintree. So they look a little like a blended monthly fee and transaction fees with the benefit/incentive being to help you drive as many transactions as you can via non CC options so you aren't paying 2.69% and 30 cents etc.

Interesting, haven't heard of them surprisingly. Although it looks as they're a PayPal company.

Re: Stripe raises $70M at $3.5B valuation, double that of January

#47
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Some of your assumptions are off (e.g. our liquidation preferences are 1x non-participating pari passu; there are no seniority games), but I really enjoyed your Bayesian vs frequentist statistics lecture at 6.945 back in the day!

Thanks, Patrick! (And thanks for posting Mosh on here and giving us a kick in the butt to really release it...) If Stripe just has one class of preferred stock, you're right that my assumptions are off, and I guess then it would be reasonable to impute the value of the newly-issued preferred shares to all the preferred shares. I would still disagree with imputing it to the common, especially since you presumably have…

>(And thanks for posting Mosh on here and giving us a kick in the butt to really release it...)

Holy hell, I didn't know that was you!

I use mosh every single day and I know a lot of other programmers at work and on IRC that use it daily as well!

Thank you so much for releasing it :D

Re: Stripe raises $70M at $3.5B valuation, double that of January

#49
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Any idea what they plan on using this money for? Having just raised $80M in January what could they need another $70M for?

The private investment market is warm right now, but I think we all know things will cool off eventually. It's better to raise money when you can (if you can use it), then wait and watch the market go cold. Especially when your valuations are rising the way theirs is.

I'm not aware of their financials, but I would imagine a good portion of that 80M is still left from their last round. So with this additional 70M they buy themselves some time with their current burn rate, and more cash on hand for things like acquisitions.

Re: Stripe raises $70M at $3.5B valuation, double that of January

#50

It seems churlish to keep pointing this out, but (assuming the investment is consistent with the typical Silicon Valley practice), it is just not true that this investment, or any participant, has now valued the company at $3.5 billion. Stripe has sold the investors a new round of senior preferred shares (again, making assumptions). These shares carry various bells and whistles whose terms we don't know -- but probab…

But at this point, where the company is clearly heading in the direction of an IPO, the relevance of all that stuff falls quite a bit?
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