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Re: 24/192 music downloads are silly

#21
Ok, I have a 1k+$ of sound equipment, I listen to lossless, and my equipment is 24/192 DAC in hardware (so even if I pass 16/44.1, it will get up-converted). Now give me 24/192 music and don't tell me "you don't need it", because I need it.

But for my mobile phone and 29$ earpods, 96 kbps 16/44.1 mp3 from soundcloud is good enough.

Re: 24/192 music downloads are silly

#22
What's so funny is to see yet another occurrence of basically "because Nyquist" yet fails to address that Nyquist only holds true over infinite time. Over a window of any finite length perfect reproduction is NOT guaranteed.

This paper, http://www.academia.edu/8412078/Is_The_Nyquist_Rate_Enough, for one, refutes this.

More reading material:

http://www.wescottdesign.com/articles/Sampling/sampling.pdf

Re: 24/192 music downloads are silly

#23

Anyone here who has not already seen Xiph's Digital Show and Tell ( http://xiph.org/video/vid2.shtml ) should do themselves a favor and sit down for a watch. It makes sense of a lot of mysteries and misconceptions around digital audio.

Starting with the first video of the series is probably a good idea, it's aptly named "a digital media primer for geeks"

http://xiph.org/video/ for the series.

Re: 24/192 music downloads are silly

#24
post #4

I'm not familiar enough with the author's work to know if his credentials merit it, but to me his tone is unbelievably snobbish and offputting.

I've had an exactly opposite feeling - I've read a piece of text written by a guy who's tired of explaining people that more isn't better (and in some cases is worse).

Re: 24/192 music downloads are silly

#27

Such "studio" formats don't make sense for end-user listening, but they make sense as inputs to further processing, mixing, etc. Having a pile of headroom in frequency and amplitude means that after further processing you can subsequently output a sensible 16-bit 48kHz file without loss. If you start with a 16-bit 48kHz file and then do a pile of processing, you won't necessarily preserve the same degree of quality.

The article mentions this point.

Re: 24/192 music downloads are silly

#28
post #21

Ok, I have a 1k+$ of sound equipment, I listen to lossless, and my equipment is 24/192 DAC in hardware (so even if I pass 16/44.1, it will get up-converted). Now give me 24/192 music and don't tell me "you don't need it", because I need it. But for my mobile phone and 29$ earpods, 96 kbps 16/44.1 mp3 from soundcloud is good enough.

You aren't really refuting anything said in the article.

Re: 24/192 music downloads are silly

#29
post #5
post #4

I'm not familiar enough with the author's work to know if his credentials merit it, but to me his tone is unbelievably snobbish and offputting.

Probably because the people he is offending are (stereotypically) a notoriously snobby and off-putting group...audiophiles.

Real audiophiles aren't offended since they totally agree with him.

Re: 24/192 music downloads are silly

#30

I once spent ~2 hours explaining all of this (well maybe not all of it) to a friend of mine who was studying sound design at the time. He didn't believe me. I even transcoded some 24/192 FLAC Pink Floyd I had lying around and made him do a double blind test to show him that he'd prefer the slightly louder song every time, even if the louder song was 192kbps vs the FLAC. He did. He still doesn't believe me. He still t…

> Some people buy $500 wooden knobs to make their volume pots sound better. (or was that a hoax? i can't tell anymore)

Some people buy small pyramids to elevate their cables off the floor, some people buy mats to put onto your CDs before putting the CD in a player (http://dagogo.com/millenniums-m-cd-mat-carbon-cd-damper-revi...), some people buy $1000+/meter digital interconnect cables (http://www.theabsolutesound.com/articles/transparent-referen...), some people buy $7200 power cords (http://www.theabsolutesound.com/articles/crystal-cable-absol...) and $350/m HDMI cables (http://www.theabsolutesound.com/articles/nordost-releases-fi...).

Self-styled audiophiles are, by and large, idiots with way too much money plagued by magical thinking. Developer bullshit has nothing on them.

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