Hawking: AI could end human race

Post by shittyanalogy » Tue, Dec 02, 2014, 2:46 PM UTC

sailingparrot wrote: post #78

shittyanalogy wrote: post #72

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He's saying that regardless of the hypothesized danger, until there is measurable, non sci-fi proof, it's all just fear mongering. Not that we shouldn't "give a fuck about anything."

You cannot have non sci-fi proof of future events, it will always be unmeasurable theories. So you can choose to wait and see, and maybe it will be too late or to hard to act when you have sufficient proof. Or you can choose to start thinking about it now, and see what we can do to to set up safeguards. And perhaps those safeguards will be useless, perhaps not. That's called prevention.

Post by shittyanalogy » Tue, Dec 02, 2014, 2:51 PM UTC

sailingparrot wrote: post #79

shittyanalogy wrote: post #70

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I'm sure Hawking and Musk are smarter and more knowledgeable on the subject than either of us... That is not a reasonable argument. They have demonstrated nothing but a fear and postulation and we cannot accept authority as evidence. Thus is the nature of science.

Fear is a demonstration of non competency? So there can never be harmful technologies? If someone more knowledgeable than me on a subject fears it, well I think it's worth at least listening to him. Not dismissing his concerns arrogantly. And when those person are one of the greatest scientist and one of the greatest entrepreneur of our time, both with some kind of expertise in AI, well...

Post by shittyanalogy » Tue, Dec 02, 2014, 2:55 PM UTC

gear54rus wrote: post #82

shittyanalogy wrote: post #66

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How would an AI exactly exterminate humans? Are we talking about it physically murdering us or just making us so depressed as to our comparative lack of intelligence that we kill ourselves?

Like others suggested, there may be a point in its development where we think we contain it (in a lab, whatever) that is isolated by normal security standards. And then at some point AI breaks all our digital defenses (because it evolved in a way we never expected) and proceeds to spread (through an Internet or other network which will be far more advanced than what we have now) wreaking havoc along its way. Isolated…

Post by sailingparrot » Tue, Dec 02, 2014, 2:59 PM UTC

shittyanalogy wrote: post #81

sailingparrot wrote: post #78

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You cannot have non sci-fi proof of future events, it will always be unmeasurable theories. So you can choose to wait and see, and maybe it will be too late or to hard to act when you have sufficient proof. Or you can choose to start thinking about it now, and see what we can do to to set up safeguards. And perhaps those safeguards will be useless, perhaps not. That's called prevention.

You are not making a cohesive argument. First you were arguing that OP was essentially saying we shouldn't "give a fuck about anything." Now you're arguing that we should "start thinking about it now." Those are two completely different points. You can do research and testing without fear mongering.

Post by cLeEOGPw » Tue, Dec 02, 2014, 3:05 PM UTC

butwhy wrote: post #9

ebbv wrote: post #6

It's interesting how people so smart in one field can be so ignorant in others, to the point of not being aware of their own ignorance. While science fiction and hollywood really love the idea of this magical moment where AI is created and becomes self aware and destroys us all, real AI is so far away that these concerns are laughable. It's just like all those dummies worrying the LHC would destroy the earth. It's fe…

How do you know it's far away? If I have to side with you or Musk (extremely intelligent engineer with insider knowledge of advancements), I'm siding with Musk.