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Detroit gentrifiers face daunting task buying $500 homes evicting poor residents

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Re: Detroit gentrifiers face daunting task buying $500 homes evicting poor residents

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Certainly his time and capital are worth something. He's probably out of pocket for at least a few lawyer fees. And if he intended to live there, he's now set back 2-3 months rent while he finds another permanent solution. All in all, still seems really generous to me.

Re: Detroit gentrifiers face daunting task buying $500 homes evicting poor residents

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This kind of stuff really is sad, there has to be some solution to not kicking people that have lived in these houses for 30+ years because they can't afford the taxes. There is, the article points it out: Owners can buy their homes back with debts cleared at auction for $500 as a solution of last resort. The problem doesn't seem to be the lack of a solution, but knowledge that it exists and what they have to do to b…

So, the solution is: Don't pay your taxes. Wait for your house to go to auction. Hope no one buys it. Pay $500 to effectively erase your three year tax debt. Repeat. That apparently currently works. It's a clear market signal to the government that it has no alternative but to put up with you not paying your taxes. But, I expect if it became widespread, the tax man would see it as a loophole to be closed.

There is also clearly something fishy going on there. The only way you get to pay $500 is if no one else offers to pay more than that, i.e. the market value of the house is only ~$500. For a dilapidated house in a bad neighborhood that is entirely possible, but then why are the taxes on such a low value piece of real estate so high that the occupant can't afford them?

Re: Detroit gentrifiers face daunting task buying $500 homes evicting poor residents

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Ok wait. So the guy paid $3500 to clear $14,000 in back taxes, right? Then the person who owed the taxes paid him $7000.

Why couldn't the owner just pay the city $3500? Or even the $7,00 she paid to the other guy?

Why is the city willing to take $3500 from a random person but not the owner?

Re: Detroit gentrifiers face daunting task buying $500 homes evicting poor residents

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If the current residents can't afford the property taxes, they need to relocate. On a personal level is very unfair, if its unfair at a societal level, we can debate. But the reality still stands- If you can't pay your property taxes, you need to move. It is a financial imperative.

For Detroit in general, these pejoratively described "gentrifiers" could be the best thing to happen in a long time. What kind of failing community would not welcome an influx of affluent skilled workers--- A boom of these kind of folks could even ignite the local services industry and provide jobs for the remaining lower skill workers.

I feel for these people on a personal level, I really do. But I don't see how ignoring economic realities is going to help them or their community long term.

Re: Detroit gentrifiers face daunting task buying $500 homes evicting poor residents

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One of the first times I've seen that property tax really does read like serfdom.

Property tax is really onerous for those who own their houses but fall on hard times. Its implementation can be terribly unfair, because it essentially says that you don't really own all of your property. You own most of it, but if you don't kick that little bit up every year, then you're out on your duff and what you get back is subject to the whims of the auction bidders. That's a troubling implication for me. I'm…

> Property taxes could be eliminated and other taxes raised for a revenue neutral solution.

The perfect solution for this is to eliminate both property tax and the mortgage interest tax deduction and let them cancel each other. For most people it makes no difference, but we stop kicking little old ladies out of the homes they own just because they can no longer afford the property taxes.

Re: Detroit gentrifiers face daunting task buying $500 homes evicting poor residents

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Ok wait. So the guy paid $3500 to clear $14,000 in back taxes, right? Then the person who owed the taxes paid him $7000. Why couldn't the owner just pay the city $3500? Or even the $7,00 she paid to the other guy? Why is the city willing to take $3500 from a random person but not the owner?

Why is the owner willing to simply not pay their taxes? (We're missing a lot from the story.)

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If the current residents can't afford the property taxes, they need to relocate. On a personal level is very unfair, if its unfair at a societal level, we can debate. But the reality still stands- If you can't pay your property taxes, you need to move. It is a financial imperative. For Detroit in general, these pejoratively described "gentrifiers" could be the best thing to happen in a long time. What kind of failing…

What is up today with HN? I have been extremely turned off by insensitive, cruel and plain nasty comments on several threads. Why so much cruelty towards fellow humans, fellow Americans? Do you realize that your "I am fine, and to hell with ya' all" attitude is like cutting the branch you sit on? You cannot live, prosper and flourish in a society ridden with cruelty, nastiness, lack of empathy and extreme forms of egoism.

Re: Detroit gentrifiers face daunting task buying $500 homes evicting poor residents

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That's what "having money" (ok, 500 bucks) but no sense of business entails.

Negotiate a rent. You can have a grace period, a rent that starts small and increases later.

But then again it's people that have limited financial means

Re: Detroit gentrifiers face daunting task buying $500 homes evicting poor residents

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Ok wait. So the guy paid $3500 to clear $14,000 in back taxes, right? Then the person who owed the taxes paid him $7000. Why couldn't the owner just pay the city $3500? Or even the $7,00 she paid to the other guy? Why is the city willing to take $3500 from a random person but not the owner?

"One of the things linking them: lack of information. Low-income homeowners are eligible for tax exemptions. While many residents would meet the requirements, they must file requests before their taxes are due, neither of which are readily known pieces of information, Mullane says. Owners can buy their homes back with debts cleared at auction for $500 as a solution of last resort."

It seems the problem is a lack of communication. It seems they don't know how much trouble they are in until they receive the foreclosure notice. The homeowner is welcome to bid on their house at auction, but if they are outbid then they are out of luck.

From the city's point of view it is better to try to get as much money back on the debt by auctioning the house instead of trying to settle at some arranged value with the debtor, which may be less than what they could get from two people trying to outbid one another. For example at the end of the article the debtor could only budget $1,400 for repurchasing his home, but he was outbid at $3,000.

Re: Detroit gentrifiers face daunting task buying $500 homes evicting poor residents

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If the current residents can't afford the property taxes, they need to relocate. On a personal level is very unfair, if its unfair at a societal level, we can debate. But the reality still stands- If you can't pay your property taxes, you need to move. It is a financial imperative. For Detroit in general, these pejoratively described "gentrifiers" could be the best thing to happen in a long time. What kind of failing…

>On a personal level is very unfair, if its unfair at a societal level, we can debate.

This has already been debated many times. The right answer is: property taxes on improvements are a malign disincentive, but property taxes on location/land value are a beneficial incentive for greater development. Detroit's location value is basically zero.

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