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European Parliament votes in favour of breaking up Google

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Re: European Parliament votes in favour of breaking up Google

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Post by marak830 »

celticninja wrote: post #7
marak830 wrote: post #4

I cant see how their a monolopy. I almost switched to bing, except its results were not accurate enough for me. I tried different email hosts but i was getting too much spam. I dont touch google+ so that wasnt an option. There is competition but (in my opinion) dont do enough or arnt what i want. There isnt any way i see google stiffling competition that i can see as i have tried quite a few (and do use them on occas…

well i kind of deciphered your comment, but I dont see how this has anything to do with Google not being european. There is no european counterpart who would benefit from this outcome, the biggest benefit would be to Microsoft (Bing) andother American company and probably a whole host of other US tech companies.

Your right i didnt make myself clear sorry, i was referring to a post made by techdirt :

https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20141121/17314329218/eu-pa...

And also to the fact that i dont believe they are a monopoly(nor do i think their abusing their position), and as such dont think anyone has any right to demand anything from them - especially breaking the company up.

Re: European Parliament votes in favour of breaking up Google

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Post by ouiya »

Oletros wrote: post #160
ouiya wrote: post #95

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Does google hire like astroturfers with all their free stuff? I post one comment and I'm downvoted without explanation? Source for what? Are you dumb? It's an opinion. Opinions don't have a source. You can't murder someone. Source for that?

> Google is because they misused SEPs. Opinion? You stating that they misused SEP's, can you provide a source for that or will you again talk about astroturfers when perhaps people is downvoting you for that nonsense

Are you retarded? You asked source for 'Using SEPs for suing others is wrong.'. The source for the fact that it was SEP's involved is already in my post.

Re: European Parliament votes in favour of breaking up Google

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Post by Oletros »

ouiya wrote: post #162
Oletros wrote: post #160

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> Google is because they misused SEPs. Opinion? You stating that they misused SEP's, can you provide a source for that or will you again talk about astroturfers when perhaps people is downvoting you for that nonsense

Are you retarded? You asked source for 'Using SEPs for suing others is wrong.'. The source for the fact that it was SEP's involved is already in my post.

Are you retarded? I asked why is is wrong using SEP. I fucking know that there was SEP involved. I'm asking why you say it is wrong suing using SEP.

So, when you're wrong, when you don't have a fucking clue about what you talk about you insult.

Get a life.

Re: European Parliament votes in favour of breaking up Google

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Post by dogma1138 »

dingaling wrote: post #147
adventured wrote: post #134

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I think if the Germans want to play nationalistic economic war, the US should return fire at Porsche, BMW, and Daimler - claiming that they possess abusive and unfair positions in the luxury car market, and proceed to levy extreme penalties in the US market on those companies (with the US market being 1/4 of their auto sales). Or perhaps try to force those automakers to divest those brands for the US market. If the E…

> Porsche, BMW, and Daimler - claiming that they possess abusive and unfair positions in the luxury car market Can you explain how any of those examples are abusing their market dominance? For example, if Porsche engines only ran on Porsche oil and petrol, available only from Porsche fuel stations which required an annual membership subscription, then that might be a problem.

Well TBH when you deal with those types of cars you are actually tied to quite a bit of items if you want to keep the warranty on your car. BMW cars can only be services at specific authorized service centers, and you can only use approve lubricants, tires, and parts... And although the same goes for virtually any other car the luxury cars put a huge entry barrier for service providers and charge hefty fees for mechanic classes. But forget BMW, the best monopoly example is Tesla the cars can only be serviced by Tesla, every part is made by Tesla, and can only be sold by Tesla. One of the main reasons they actually released their patents to general use is that the US car companies were starting to build anti-trust cases against them...

Re: European Parliament votes in favour of breaking up Google

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Post by dang »

tptacek wrote: post #86
Karunamon wrote: post #75

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It's really not that hard to understand that someone making comments about a company they are paid by should call that out.

It is extremely hard to take this moralizing seriously when the only reason he's taking this flak is that he's actually signed his name to his comments and been forthcoming on the site about where he works. That's not something you can say about every opinionated HN commenter.

I agree. And intolerable to take when the provocation comes from an accomplished if not professional astroturfer who has plagued this site for years using dozens of accounts.

Re: European Parliament votes in favour of breaking up Google

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Post by dang »

wfjackson wrote: post #56
ckelvin wrote: post #51

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Do you work for Google? If you do, ny the same metric, shouldn't we discount all your numerous posts defending Google and attacking their competitors?

According to this post, they do. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=8620539 It would be nice to have that in a disclaimer in the posts discussing Google or in the HN profile page though.

wfjackson and ckelvin are fakes, replying to and upvoting each other in order to astroturf this thread. This is the latest incarnation of a pro-Microsoft astroturfing campaign that has plagued this site for years, using these two accounts:

https://news.ycombinator.com/threads?id=recoiledsnake

https://news.ycombinator.com/threads?id=cooldeal

... and many dozens of others.

This person (or persons) is an accomplished if not professional pro-Microsoft astroturfer whose "contributions" to Hacker News consist of shilling for Microsoft, slagging Microsoft competitors, and covering their tracks. At one point they even created fake female identities to make it look like when we banned them, we were banning women (https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=7079380).

We ban any account that evidence suggests is part of this campaign or anything similar. It is a bad-faith abuse of this site that has cost us many hours of work that would otherwise have been poured into improving HN, so they steal from this community in addition to violating it.

It's especially galling to see them personally attack sincere users who don't hide their affiliations and don't snake around replying to themselves.

Re: European Parliament votes in favour of breaking up Google

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Post by dang »

celticninja wrote: post #125
vdaniuk wrote: post #82

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I would certainly be not against some external entity or random event shutting HN down. That would lead to genesis of new communities and contribute to spreading the influence to several or dozens of separate entities. Ironically, voice of the hackers, the independents, the non-affiliated is weak here. The voice of the tech establishment, the VCs, the startups, the megacorps is heard loud and clear. Do you not see ho…

YC censors plenty on HN, especially negative stuff linked to YC alumni or startups. I posted something the other day about the myo and i got a error page everytime I submitted it. tried submitting something else and bang it goes straight through. I dont care that they censor stuff but that they are underhand and sneaky about it gives me pause for thought when I see content on here from YC startups, was it pushed to t…

> YC censors plenty on HN, especially negative stuff linked to YC alumni or startups.

No, we don't do that. We actually take care to penalize stories less when they are negative about YC or YC-funded startups, and none of the HN software takes YC-related material into account. I mention the latter because what you're describing sounds like it was done by the software.

There must have been some other problem with your post. If you provide a link we'll be happy to look into it for you.

Re: European Parliament votes in favour of breaking up Google

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Post by dang »

cbeach wrote: post #15

Why is this story showing on HN, whilst the following one (on the breakup of Google) has more points, and was previously top of the HN front page? https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=8666921 Interestingly the above story has comments that are far more scathing about Google, whereas the story I am now commenting on, which HN has favoured has mostly arguments in defence of Google. What's going on, PG?

I think it's just a dupe that we missed and that got lots of additional attention.

Re: European Parliament votes in favour of breaking up Google

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Post by ouiya »

Oletros wrote: post #163
ouiya wrote: post #162

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Are you retarded? You asked source for 'Using SEPs for suing others is wrong.'. The source for the fact that it was SEP's involved is already in my post.

Are you retarded? I asked why is is wrong using SEP. I fucking know that there was SEP involved. I'm asking why you say it is wrong suing using SEP. So, when you're wrong, when you don't have a fucking clue about what you talk about you insult. Get a life.

Oh my god, I'm sorry. You ARE retarded. Go read your questions haha

Re: European Parliament votes in favour of breaking up Google

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Post by ouiya »

Oletros wrote: post #163
ouiya wrote: post #162

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Are you retarded? You asked source for 'Using SEPs for suing others is wrong.'. The source for the fact that it was SEP's involved is already in my post.

Are you retarded? I asked why is is wrong using SEP. I fucking know that there was SEP involved. I'm asking why you say it is wrong suing using SEP. So, when you're wrong, when you don't have a fucking clue about what you talk about you insult. Get a life.

Oh my god, I'm sorry. You ARE retarded. Or worse, a chinese being paid 20cents for down-voting every anti-google comment
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