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Re: Ask HN: Do you know other firms like Valve or GitHub?

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Not sure if it's in the same bucket as Valve or GitHub: at Mobile Jazz http://mobilejazz.com we're only 20 people (and that makes things a lot easier), but we've quite a different way of working compared to traditional companies: * We pay fair salaries. For most people in our team it's way more than what they've earned before. * We pay everyone the same (base) salary. Regardless of their role or title. * We pay quart…

Pretty amazing. Are the founders/management team working towards what might be considered a high rate of growth or an incremental one? In other words, is the staff level, revenue, expenses, and earnings in some way optimized at the current level? Kudos for focusing on your people- this mix is difficult to achieve for what I am assuming is a bootstrapped business and impossible in a venture-backed one.

To be honest, we haven't put too much thought into the business side of things. We've been growing organically from two people (the two founders, I'm one of them) to now 20 people and things always somehow worked out. We're still learning ourselves, though. Pretty much every day.

Revenue and expenses are relatively stable. We've some really good quarters, and some not so good ones. But overall we're profitable. Sometimes we also spend a lot of money on "fun" things without thinking too much and then realize later that we need to be a bit more careful with spending ;-) In particular cash flow issues when waiting for the big corporations to pay their invoices.

In terms of staff, we're actually at the moment not growing that much any more, simply because having too many people makes it difficult to run such a business as the "family & friends" feeling gets lost and we'd probably need to introduce more hierarchy, which we also don't want.

Re: Ask HN: Do you know other firms like Valve or GitHub?

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post #48

I love this model of working, but I think it's a lot more common in engineering teams than people realize. My company isn't anything special, and certainly most of the rest of the company doesn't work open allocation, but the engineering team pretty much does. You work on what you want, and you tell people what you're doing. Does anyone else feel this way?

It's not formalized in any way, but we have a small team that works this way. I would imagine it would be hard to scale, and takes the right sort of people, but it's a really great environment to work in. We are constantly experimenting and everyone is welcome where they feel they can be helpful - our video production team is deeply involved with the devops side of our streaming server for example...

Re: Ask HN: Do you know other firms like Valve or GitHub?

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post #48

I love this model of working, but I think it's a lot more common in engineering teams than people realize. My company isn't anything special, and certainly most of the rest of the company doesn't work open allocation, but the engineering team pretty much does. You work on what you want, and you tell people what you're doing. Does anyone else feel this way?

There's definitely pockets like this where I work (Gov't agency), but these pockets are still floating in a sea of the expected waterfall bureaucracy. It's basically up to team leads/PMs to decide if they're going to act as a buffer against that or not.

Re: Ask HN: Do you know other firms like Valve or GitHub?

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Ok this is a little off topic but maybe someone can tell me. These orgs make a huge deal about how salary is selected by your peers. How does that actually work though? Like the detailed logistics of it? Who exactly picks what you'll get? How is the final decision made?

Re: Ask HN: Do you know other firms like Valve or GitHub?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I recently spoke to a recruiter at Skyscanner, and he mentioned that they have also adopted a similar model to Spotify. He called the model "Squads and tribes".

I work for Skyscanner, and can confirm this. It's a very effective model for managing a business this size, and IMHO fosters innovation within the business. Very basic description of the model as it is at Skyscanner: Tribes - High level products (hotels, flights, car hire) Chapters - "Departments"; areas of expertise (data acquisition, front end) Squads - Autonomous project units (New features, development of an exis…

I suppose the difficult thing to gauge is whether using these cool-sounding names has any effect.

Re: Ask HN: Do you know other firms like Valve or GitHub?

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post #4

I'm subjective, but I think Spotify uses slightly innovative ways of organising. See: * https://labs.spotify.com/2014/03/27/spotify-engineering-cult... * https://labs.spotify.com/2014/09/20/spotify-engineering-cult... Happy to answer questions.

Very impressed by Spotify. Do they have deadlines?

Re: Ask HN: Do you know other firms like Valve or GitHub?

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post #39

Not sure if it's in the same bucket as Valve or GitHub: at Mobile Jazz http://mobilejazz.com we're only 20 people (and that makes things a lot easier), but we've quite a different way of working compared to traditional companies: * We pay fair salaries. For most people in our team it's way more than what they've earned before. * We pay everyone the same (base) salary. Regardless of their role or title. * We pay quart…

Hi from 7th floor (3scale.net)! Good luck with candidates. Looks like pretty nice place to work.

Re: Ask HN: Do you know other firms like Valve or GitHub?

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post #57
post #39

Not sure if it's in the same bucket as Valve or GitHub: at Mobile Jazz http://mobilejazz.com we're only 20 people (and that makes things a lot easier), but we've quite a different way of working compared to traditional companies: * We pay fair salaries. For most people in our team it's way more than what they've earned before. * We pay everyone the same (base) salary. Regardless of their role or title. * We pay quart…

Hi from 7th floor (3scale.net)! Good luck with candidates. Looks like pretty nice place to work.

Hahahah, crazy!

Re: Ask HN: Do you know other firms like Valve or GitHub?

#59
post #36

I feel like this describes my present employer. The company culture emphasizes that everyone should experience maximum Autonomy, Mastery, Purpose, Transparency, Empathy and Fun in their job. Hierarchy is way less important to us than getting results. We're in Toronto and we have more about this at our website: https://nulogy.com/

How is management structured? How are product decisions made?

We also have/use:

- TDD

- pair programming

- git flow

- a 2-week release cycle

- four dev teams

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