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Ask HN: From zero to IT career, what is the fastest path?

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Re: Ask HN: From zero to IT career, what is the fastest path?

#21
My advice: buy a subscription to teamtreehouse.com. Take ALL of the courses on HTML, CSS, Javascript, and PHP and/or Rails. They should then take what they've learned and build one or more projects, preferably hosted in a public GitHub repo, that act as a portfolio for potential employers. If they prove that they've actually built a real project(s) that actually does something, they'll be on a good track to find a job.

IMHO, they should avoid programming books. You don't learn how to play baseball by reading a book about baseball; you learn baseball by playing baseball. The same is true for programming: they'll learn more by building something, anything than they would from a book. Books may help them later in their career after they mastered basic programming subjects. For this piece of advice, I'd add one caveat: I have met some programmers who have learned immensely from books, so, if one of your friends falls into this category, discard my anti-book advice. In any case, the focus must stay on project building.

Finally, I would add that if you, or someone else, or a number of experienced programmers could mentor them through this process, that would probably help more than any other resource.

Re: Ask HN: From zero to IT career, what is the fastest path?

#22
the php/html/css guy should learn javascript and node. plenty of projects that use both and quite a few moving to node. the DSP guy should apply for jobs in the telecom industry. they need to apply to a lot of jobs until they get one. Also, spain seems to be a particularly bad place to be right now.

Re: Ask HN: From zero to IT career, what is the fastest path?

#24

QA is probably your quickest path towards a job IMO. If you're willing to do manual testing but has some capability to do automated testing you can bring some real value.

Can anyone that agrees about QA be more specific - like practical courses, companies that would be likely to be hiring, ...

Re: Ask HN: From zero to IT career, what is the fastest path?

#25

I would say the answer depends on Where in Europe your friends are seeking employment. The job market - and the job requirements - are significantly different between Rural Romania, Berlin or an oil field in Norway. They are 30+. General advice there is to stay away from competing with the 20+ crowd. Compete where age is on your side, which means go into business where you have 10 years experience over the young ones…

> Be sure to never leave a job unfinished, and always ensure your customer is happy.

Can't agree more about that. Also great advice about the DSP friend. What makes me optimist is that they are based in Vienna / Barcelona, so big cities with some IT scene inside.

A 6 months study time is totally reasonable for them... so basically no "education" (but one is graduated in a different field), but self-education is totally possible to achieve. I guess that in order to buy a reputation they'll need to start with a job that looks serious but maybe without a stellar salary, and evolve from that. Thanks.

Re: Ask HN: From zero to IT career, what is the fastest path?

#26

QA is probably your quickest path towards a job IMO. If you're willing to do manual testing but has some capability to do automated testing you can bring some real value.

I agree that QA and support skills are in demand, geographically portable, and will help develop empathy and understanding for the perspectives of both software engineers and end users.

Re: Ask HN: From zero to IT career, what is the fastest path?

#27
I'm a university drop-out because I had trouble paying attention in a classroom. My hobby/interest was development and design since I was 12 years old (am now 25) and created stuff just for curiousity and fun. What I was doing, unknowingly, was creating my portfolio which I would use to land many different jobs and establish a career for myself. The web is booming and we need more masons in the field.

Re: Ask HN: From zero to IT career, what is the fastest path?

#28
Software development is a hell of a lot more difficult to do right than all the other non-programming IT jobs.

If you want a job ASAP, learn desktop support, be a network analyst/systems analyst, systems administrator, database admin, quality assurance analyst/engineer/tester, etc.

A lot of jobs out there are just "we needed someone to set up this software for us and push a button once in a while", and they pay well. One guy I worked with had a job similar to mine, and he was supposed to be some kind of engineer, but he kept coming to me asking things like 'how do I sort the lines in a file?' Speaking of which, you should look for contract jobs or government jobs, or government contracting jobs. They require the least expertise and pay the most.

Re: Ask HN: From zero to IT career, what is the fastest path?

#29
Search for, and go hang out at meetups that cater to programmers and independents. Socialize. Find good people that have some boring, mundane work that they don't want to do, like converting photoshop to HTML or just rote testing, and offload it from them for cheap. Learn more about programming while you're on the job.

It'll be hard to find a "real" job for a while until you prove your mettle this way a bit, even at a small company. I speak as a small business owner; we don't really have time to hand-hold unless you've really proven your ability to learn quickly already.

Re: Ask HN: From zero to IT career, what is the fastest path?

#30
Getting the skills and getting the job are not necessarily totally overlapping.

Certificates in Javascript or whichever will look good on a CV, show willingness to learn, and open doors for you.

Then of course it needs to be backed up with demonstrable programming skills. Coding dojos, meetup.com events, hobby projects are all good for this, and can be discussed in the cover letter when applying for a job.

The age can be an advantage. I mean, I adore my younger colleagues, but they are politically retarded.

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