St – simple terminal
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St – simple terminal
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Re: St – simple terminal
#2Seems nice, however I do like the idea of a GTK2 based and tabbed terminal. Sadly, a lot of them feel very bloated.
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#3> Some random program complains that st is unknown/not recognised/unsupported/whatever!
I really wish there was a better way to deal with this (I have the same problem with rxvt-unicode-256color). I'm obviously not going to make install a graphical terminal emulator on some random server I'm logging into.
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#4> Some random program complains that st is unknown/not recognised/unsupported/whatever! I really wish there was a better way to deal with this (I have the same problem with rxvt-unicode-256color). I'm obviously not going to make install a graphical terminal emulator on some random server I'm logging into.
tic -s st.info
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#5I like suckless. I use some of their tools within my Awesome(WM) sessions.
However, I don't see the point of St. There are dozens of other graphical terminal emulators that were created with the exact same goal: "Xterm's codebase sucks, we can do better".
FWIW, I've (currently[1]) settled on ROXTerm, which (on Debian and Ubuntu) comes in GTK2 and GTK3 variants. I use Tmux within it. It does FreeType and FontConfig fonts well, which I care strongly about. Its colour scheme is configurable and it's not tied to a desktop environment. It does use libvte from Gnome to implement the terminal emulator widget, and I'm OK with that. Less NIH please!
[1] After using Gnome-Terminal, Konsole, and RXVT-Unicode for a while. I doubt my quest has yet ended.
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#6I use Konsole and yaquake always. Tabs, colors, profiles (I just have one for neovim), nice font rendering, split windows, copy&paste from clipboard...
Apart, Windows needs a good terminal. Console2 and ConEmu, not end to work fine... I get strange issues with colors every time that I connect to ssh against a GNU/Linux machine and open vim.
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#7> xterm is bloated and unmaintainable. [...] It has over 65K lines of code and emulates obscure and obsolete terminals you will never need. The popular alternative, rxvt has only 32K lines of code. This is just too much for something as simple as a terminal emulator; it’s yet another example of code complexity.
Ok, I am interested.
> How do I scroll back up?
> - Using a terminal multiplexer [shows tmux example]
Emm... tmux is a 32K lines of code. That kind of defeats the purpose of the opening paragraph.
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#8> xterm is bloated and unmaintainable. [...] It has over 65K lines of code and emulates obscure and obsolete terminals you will never need. The popular alternative, rxvt has only 32K lines of code. This is just too much for something as simple as a terminal emulator; it’s yet another example of code complexity. Ok, I am interested. > How do I scroll back up? > - Using a terminal multiplexer [shows tmux example] Emm..…
I heard dtach + dvtm were smaller, but I'm not sure.
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#9> xterm is bloated and unmaintainable. [...] It has over 65K lines of code and emulates obscure and obsolete terminals you will never need. The popular alternative, rxvt has only 32K lines of code. This is just too much for something as simple as a terminal emulator; it’s yet another example of code complexity. Ok, I am interested. > How do I scroll back up? > - Using a terminal multiplexer [shows tmux example] Emm..…
I think the point is: do one thing and do it well.
In this view, I guess it's not the terminal's duty to do multiplexing, scrolling etc. Tmux is meant to do the job, so its codebase size should not be added together with st's. They're separate software, each doing its thing and doing it well, an approach completely opposite to that of other software (e.g. emacs) that do lots of things.
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#10> xterm is bloated and unmaintainable. [...] It has over 65K lines of code and emulates obscure and obsolete terminals you will never need. The popular alternative, rxvt has only 32K lines of code. This is just too much for something as simple as a terminal emulator; it’s yet another example of code complexity. Ok, I am interested. > How do I scroll back up? > - Using a terminal multiplexer [shows tmux example] Emm..…
Not quite, the opening paragraph says rxvt is "only 32K", but of course st (which is the program being talked about) is around 4K.
It's easy to count, since it's mostly a single file: http://git.suckless.org/st/tree/st.c. :)