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Why programming methodologies are pointless

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Re: Why programming methodologies are pointless

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"To anyone who has moderate experience in software development, this might seem obvious or taken for granite " ಠ_ಠ

Allow me to play doubles advocate here for a moment. For all intensive purposes I think you are wrong. In an age where false morals are a diamond dozen, true virtues are a blessing in the skies. We often put our false morality on a petal stool like a bunch of pre-Madonnas, but you all seem to be taking something very valuable for granite. So I ask of you to mustard up all the strength you can because it is a doggy dog world out there. Although there is some merit to what you are saying it seems like you have a huge ship on your shoulder. In your argument you seem to throw everything in but the kids Nsync, and even though you are having a feel day with this I am here to bring you back into reality. I have a sick sense when it comes to these types of things. It is almost spooky, because I cannot turn a blonde eye to these glaring flaws in your rhetoric. I have zero taller ants when it comes to people spouting out hate in the name of moral righteousness. You just need to remember what comes around is all around, and when supply and command fails you will be the first to go.

Make my words, when you get down to brass stacks it doesn't take rocket appliances to get two birds stoned at once. It's clear who makes the pants in this relationship, and sometimes you just have to swallow your prize and accept the facts. You might have to come to this conclusion through denial and error but I swear on my mother's mating name that when you put the petal to the medal you will pass with flying carpets like it’s a peach of cake.

Re: Why programming methodologies are pointless

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"To anyone who has moderate experience in software development, this might seem obvious or taken for granite " ಠ_ಠ

I got to admit, for a second I thought this was another meme that I did not know about. I need to trust in myself more.

Re: Why programming methodologies are pointless

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> I've found that beginners don’t learn about this until it is far too late, and the teachers rarely emphasize it. Many of those who are learning programming through a school aren’t taught about the ethics of programming. They aren’t taught how to design library API’s, how to separate concerns, or how to write small cohesive modules.

I like to call this the 'fallacy of assumed competence'. We assume teachers are good at teaching, and teachers assume students are good at learning and understanding. As i've grown older i've come to believe that most teachers suck really hard at teaching, and that most students suck really hard at knowing how to ask the teacher what they need to know.

In terms of programmer methodologies: nobody in the real world cares all that much. Nobody quits their job because their bosses wouldn't enforce using their preferred methodology. If you're all tasked with developing some giant framework or application and you all have to work together, at some point you learn it's a lot less painful to put your ego aside and just get work done.

Re: Why programming methodologies are pointless

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Once he gets older and a bit more mellow, he'll see that there are always people who are better - and you can recognize them. Also that it just makes sense to stick to some methodologies to find common ground, to keep your code readable by everyone in the team.

Having a desk job helps in understanding it is more important that you can understand your code 3 years down the road than squeeze the last 5% of productivity out right now.

Re: Why programming methodologies are pointless

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"To anyone who has moderate experience in software development, this might seem obvious or taken for granite " ಠ_ಠ

Allow me to play doubles advocate here for a moment. For all intensive purposes I think you are wrong. In an age where false morals are a diamond dozen, true virtues are a blessing in the skies. We often put our false morality on a petal stool like a bunch of pre-Madonnas, but you all seem to be taking something very valuable for granite. So I ask of you to mustard up all the strength you can because it is a doggy do…

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Re: Why programming methodologies are pointless

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>On the note of software methodologies for teams, I think they are pointless, at least for me. [...] The problem I have with them is their meaning and significance vary between everyone.

This looks to be the crux of your argument and it's a weak one. Just because there are wide ranging opinions on definitions does not mean the ideas have no merit. The idea of "education" means something very different to many people. That doesn't mean that public school, college, or Cisco certification training is "pointless". There are thousands of ideas/words that don't meet 100% agreement. Just the other day, there was a thread on HN about what "mathematical proof" meant. Does that mean someone can legitimately dismiss math proofs as pointless because mathematicians disagree?

Alan Kay's idea of "object-oriented" is different from Bjarne Stroustrup's. Martin Odersky's idea of "functional language" is different from John McCarthy's. Regardless of the differences, there are still good ideas in both OOP and functional paradigms that can improve designs of software architectures.

>I don’t know if I should “love to hear your argument against this” but since this is a blog post from some obscure programmer on the internet, then I’m sure you’ll write it anyways.

I don't understand the conceit you wrote here. If this is how you truly felt, why did you post your blog to HN? I thought the idea was to invite commentary.

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