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Re: IE Web Development Support Moving to Stack Overflow

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Post by teh_klev »

fishtoaster wrote: post #48
benoits wrote: post #27

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Instead of the overzealous closing, why doesn't SO create a "Stack Overflow Opinions" Stack Exchange site where they move the offending questions?

I was one of the early mods on programmers.stackexchange.com that was kinda-sorta aimed at being just that. Some participants wanted explicitly that, where offending questions would be automatically moved to P.SE. Others wanted "anything that'd be off-topic on SO" as the key criteria for P.SE. A lot of the early questions there were pulled directly from previously-closed questions on StackOverflow. Over time, though,…

Oh boy, P.SE had some seriously bad birthing pains. Speaking as a former diamond mod on Stack Overflow, I got spanked a few times by a particular former and overbearing P.SE mod for migrating what seemed like perfectly on-topic questions that were clearly not great for SO.

Eventually I gave up and to this day yet I am still unclear what is considered on/off-topic on P.SE.

Re: IE Web Development Support Moving to Stack Overflow

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Post by alexggordon »

Firstly, bravo. I really applaud Microsoft for realizing what it wanted to have in a Q&A site, and realizing Stack Exchange was that realizing. Then realizing that people are probably going to go to SE, instead of a Microsoft forum or product.

That said, I think Microsoft is going to be in an adapt or die philosophy for the next few months, and I think this is one of those decisions. They know they need to foster a community that anyone can be a part of.

Open Source move? Check. More Open Source? Check. Stack Exchange? Check.

The only thing this piece is missing is a better hardware platform, so I'm going to be very interested in seeing what Microsoft can produce in the coming months.

Re: IE Web Development Support Moving to Stack Overflow

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Post by teh_klev »

hueving wrote: post #35
camdenre wrote: post #29

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I'm guessing StackExchange is partnering with them in this move.

Definitely. It was created by Jeff Atwood who is a very "pro-Microsoft" figurehead in the .NET community so there was probably a lot of collaboration in this move.

As catkin has pointed out, Jeff left SE a good while ago. Also his current baby, Discourse [0], is built on Ruby on Rails, Postgres, Redis at the back end and ember.js on the front [1].

[0]: http://www.discourse.org/

[1]: http://www.discourse.org/faq/#tech

Re: IE Web Development Support Moving to Stack Overflow

#154

Post by andrewstuart »

stinos wrote: post #150
andrewstuart wrote: post #89

I created www.NotConstructive.com a few days ago in response to some of the challenges of posting to Stack Overflow. Launch announcement: http://fourlightyears.blogspot.com.au/2014/11/notconstructiv...

Was this some kind of relaunch then? What happened? HN post from over a year ago: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=6062876

Yep, read the blog post link in the parent message.

Re: IE Web Development Support Moving to Stack Overflow

#155

Post by StuieK »

stinos wrote: post #136
StuieK wrote: post #85

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I started slant.co for this. Closed question: http://programmers.stackexchange.com/questions/2254/what-are... Open Question: http://www.slant.co/topics/1150/~what-are-the-best-keyboards...

Yeah slant is ok, but still needs more users/moderation to be as useful as SO (even despite questions getting closed). Eg I browse to http://www.slant.co/topics/799/~what-are-the-best-continuous... and it lists 'Visual Studio default theme' as an option with one recommendation. So I signed in but I see no way to tell a mod that it doesn't belong there? (I could add a con saying 'This is not a CI' though)

I'm honestly really sorry about that, we're in the middle of building a flagging system at the moment. Up until now we typically have been using the comment to moderate but this is obviously really inefficient.

I removed that option, thanks for pointing that out. We have a long way to go on the moderation side of things.

Anything else you don't like/wish we had?

Re: IE Web Development Support Moving to Stack Overflow

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Post by MrPatan »

dionidium wrote: post #78
fredley wrote: post #10

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I am a mod on a similarly hostile StackExchange site. The community has always been outright hostile to active discussion (outside of chat, the area of the site for specifically this) for all but a brief period when it was still working out what it was. The fact it's hostile to active discussion is part of what enables it to continue to be a useful resource. That's not to say Stack Overflow isn't without its problems…

It's not just about discussion. It's a general stance positioning the perfect against the pretty good. Here's just one example: questions often get closed as duplicate after good answers start rolling in. Sometimes, the new answers are better than the old ones. The mods argue that the users should move their answers over to the old question. Or that they should improve the old answers. It's a lot of should, should, s…

This, and a thousand times this.

If a question gets asked more, maybe having more indexed landing pages for it for search engines will make it easier to find. It seems to be a popular question after all! Why limit yourself to just one answer?

Re: IE Web Development Support Moving to Stack Overflow

#157

Post by andrewstuart »

tkubacki wrote: post #128
DCoder wrote: post #113

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I would guess it's this one: https://i.stack.imgur.com/NFYi1.jpg

Yes this was that one. Being honest this may not be following guidelines - so I deleted question. Maybe someone should create Stackoverflow like site for more open questions.

www.notconstructive.com was launched a few days ago for this exact purpose - to answer more open questions.

Re: IE Web Development Support Moving to Stack Overflow

#158

Post by andrewstuart »

oblio wrote: post #140
hoodoof wrote: post #88

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Google moved their support to SO for one of their products. I wasn't happy with the lack of response from their support team so I posted a message saying "What the heck do I have to do to get an answer from you guys on your product?". What do you think the response from SO was? People yelled "it's volunteers here choosing to answer questions on their own time! You aren't allowed to demand a response on SO, who do yo…

Google does not do support. This has been known for a long time. They don't hire support people, just developers. As such, SO is the best support you're ever going to get for Google products. (Thanks for the down votes - am I wrong? I doubt it ;) )

Google was very attentive when I wanted to buy something from them. Phone number, quickly answered by a helpful human.

The precise inverse of my experience trying to get support from them.

Re: IE Web Development Support Moving to Stack Overflow

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Post by stinos »

StuieK wrote: post #155
stinos wrote: post #136

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah slant is ok, but still needs more users/moderation to be as useful as SO (even despite questions getting closed). Eg I browse to http://www.slant.co/topics/799/~what-are-the-best-continuous... and it lists 'Visual Studio default theme' as an option with one recommendation. So I signed in but I see no way to tell a mod that it doesn't belong there? (I could add a con saying 'This is not a CI' though)

I'm honestly really sorry about that, we're in the middle of building a flagging system at the moment. Up until now we typically have been using the comment to moderate but this is obviously really inefficient. I removed that option, thanks for pointing that out. We have a long way to go on the moderation side of things. Anything else you don't like/wish we had?

Only some minor points, for the rest I really like the interface and functionality:

- it's a tad confusing that in a list with questions every question has 3 links. Two of them are the same (queston title itself 'See All Options') so I'd remove the latter as it doesn't really add anything useful imo.

- it's not clear to me what the 'Best' sorting option means

- a built-in way to link questions wouldn't be bad. For example there's a 'What are the best over-ear headphones under $200?' but also a 'What are the best over/on ear headphones around $300?' and in the latter the Sennheiser HD598 wins while it doesn't in the former. Something like a 'This is Related To' button which then pops up something similar to SO's duplicate question window.

- which reminds me: not sure if it can be done but eventually you'll probably need a way to remove or rather merge duplicates

- just figured that after adding a pro, I still have to vote for it. It would make sense to do this automatically?

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