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Re: How to crack a master lock

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Post by tokenadult » Tue, Oct 06, 2009, 7:31 PM UTC

stanley_choad wrote: post #15

shrughes wrote: post #11

Why are all the comments mentioning picking the back of the lock now [dead]?

A very good question. The same thing happened a little over a week ago, when a moderator deep-sixed all submissions of a particular thirtyseven signals post (sorry, I am avoiding regex bait now). In fact, it appears that my account which attempted to post the aforementioned story is crippled, which is to say that all comments posted thereafter are auto-killed, yet do not appear so when I am logged in. Another good qu…

does it bother anyone else that superuser-level moderation occurs in secret without any public recourse or justification?

It is a good question. It doesn't bother me. Maybe that's because I've been in the role of an ordinary user on plenty of sites with little or no moderation, and I have also been in the role of a moderator (with varying degrees of moderation power and authority in the chain of command) on various sites. Most discussion sites need moderation. Most moderation actions don't need metadiscussion.

Re: How to crack a master lock

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Post by notrick2047 » Tue, Oct 06, 2009, 7:38 PM UTC

tokenadult wrote: post #21

stanley_choad wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A very good question. The same thing happened a little over a week ago, when a moderator deep-sixed all submissions of a particular thirtyseven signals post (sorry, I am avoiding regex bait now). In fact, it appears that my account which attempted to post the aforementioned story is crippled, which is to say that all comments posted thereafter are auto-killed, yet do not appear so when I am logged in. Another good qu…

does it bother anyone else that superuser-level moderation occurs in secret without any public recourse or justification? It is a good question. It doesn't bother me. Maybe that's because I've been in the role of an ordinary user on plenty of sites with little or no moderation, and I have also been in the role of a moderator (with varying degrees of moderation power and authority in the chain of command) on various s…

Talking about moderation, I posted some things from an account which the people of HN didnt like and without any reason I have been crippled, the same thing is happening to me. All the comments that I post appear when I am logged In but they are actually not there.

This is preposterous. HN has steeped so low that they cannot even take views other than there own?Ridiculous.

Re: How to crack a master lock

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Post by ryanwaggoner » Tue, Oct 06, 2009, 7:42 PM UTC

stanley_choad wrote: post #15

shrughes wrote: post #11

Why are all the comments mentioning picking the back of the lock now [dead]?

A very good question. The same thing happened a little over a week ago, when a moderator deep-sixed all submissions of a particular thirtyseven signals post (sorry, I am avoiding regex bait now). In fact, it appears that my account which attempted to post the aforementioned story is crippled, which is to say that all comments posted thereafter are auto-killed, yet do not appear so when I am logged in. Another good qu…

At the very least, comments and stories that are killed should show the username of the user responsible. Is there any real justification for keeping it secret?

Re: How to crack a master lock

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Post by stanley_choad » Tue, Oct 06, 2009, 7:45 PM UTC

tokenadult wrote: post #21

stanley_choad wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A very good question. The same thing happened a little over a week ago, when a moderator deep-sixed all submissions of a particular thirtyseven signals post (sorry, I am avoiding regex bait now). In fact, it appears that my account which attempted to post the aforementioned story is crippled, which is to say that all comments posted thereafter are auto-killed, yet do not appear so when I am logged in. Another good qu…

does it bother anyone else that superuser-level moderation occurs in secret without any public recourse or justification? It is a good question. It doesn't bother me. Maybe that's because I've been in the role of an ordinary user on plenty of sites with little or no moderation, and I have also been in the role of a moderator (with varying degrees of moderation power and authority in the chain of command) on various s…

I agree that comment sites require moderation, but HN makes every appearance of being community-moderated. The voting system is supposed to take care of the signal-to-noise ratio, and I think it does a pretty good job.

The moderation actions I am talking about, however, are unilateral (you can't even ask why), magical (you don't know it is happening), persistent (the account posts dead comments for a period of time, perhaps infinite), and arbitrary (the comments are not necessarily undesirable or contrary to the HN culture). These traits are bothersome to me, and to at least a few others. I think it warrants a discussion.

Re: How to crack a master lock

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Post by defdac » Tue, Oct 06, 2009, 7:55 PM UTC

lol@first comment. Epic.

Re: How to crack a master lock

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Post by lurkinggrue » Tue, Oct 06, 2009, 8:00 PM UTC

me325r4534534 wrote: post #18

Dewalt drill.

That takes all the fun out of it, unless you are into using power tools.

Re: How to crack a master lock

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Post by anamax » Tue, Oct 06, 2009, 8:34 PM UTC

NathanKP wrote: post #16

icefox wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If social engineering taught me anything it is not only could I spent 15 minutes at the lock, but I could even print this out and tape it to the wall in front of me. I forgot my lock combo and am trying to recover it, thats all. Someone might even come over and help :)

I've read about fascinating sociology experiment along those lines. A sociologist was planted on a busy street, obviously trying to open a car door lock with a bent wire. The car contained an expensive television. No one called the police, they just looked at him curiously and kept walking.

Of course no one bothered him, he didn't appear to be doing anything wrong.

That's the secret behind most social engineering.

Re: How to crack a master lock

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Post by fuzzythinker » Tue, Oct 06, 2009, 8:39 PM UTC

defdac wrote: post #25

lol@first comment. Epic.

give this dude some love, I had a good laugh after figuring out what that first comment meant.

Re: How to crack a master lock

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Post by Zarathu » Tue, Oct 06, 2009, 9:14 PM UTC

Old.

Re: How to crack a master lock

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Post by pg » Tue, Oct 06, 2009, 10:30 PM UTC

ryanwaggoner wrote: post #23

stanley_choad wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A very good question. The same thing happened a little over a week ago, when a moderator deep-sixed all submissions of a particular thirtyseven signals post (sorry, I am avoiding regex bait now). In fact, it appears that my account which attempted to post the aforementioned story is crippled, which is to say that all comments posted thereafter are auto-killed, yet do not appear so when I am logged in. Another good qu…

At the very least, comments and stories that are killed should show the username of the user responsible. Is there any real justification for keeping it secret?

Nearly everything that's killed is killed by software, not manually. But if you want you can consider me responsible.