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Re: My boys love 1986 computing

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I initially gave my two girls an old desktop computer with a linux on it. They started to use it before I showed them how and they started figuring stuff out without me and soon I was sitting riveted in the background watching them discover things and trying to learn about computer UIs and work out how they thought. Here's an old blog post about it: http://williamedwardscoder.tumblr.com/post/19500788060/my-te... - I…

Take heart, and permit my anecdotal counterexample -- with a happy ending.

In the mid-90s, we picked up an used Mac Plus for our 5-year-old. He loved it, had no problem playing the heck out of the games, negotiating menus, etc. (Although I did get irrationally mad when, as he was playing Spit on Saddam -- a local Apple guy had written it, so I'd loaded it for kicks -- he actually spit on the screen.)

So great, maybe I can start working in some HyperCard, give him some control. No interest whatsoever. I even hacked some of his games, to show him the possibilities of coding. He was amused, but still had no interest.

He got older and got the thrill of modem WoW with friends, but he still had no interest coding -- althoug I did catch him learning the warez culture.

About this time, I became addicted to browsing the state surplus equipment lot, and found that they had, literally, a pile of computers they sold at auction for essentially the cost of hauling it all away. In each pile, there were always some Macs. So I got to know the computer scrap guys and would buy discarded Macs for $10 a pallet -- and they thought I was a sucker.

To the point, the kid loved taking computers apart -- especially after discovered a PowerMac uprgrade card in a half laptop that I'd told him to toss. Nothing like an elementary kid earning $200 on eBay to keep him interested. He also helped me refurb/clone a bunch of Macs for his brother's preschool.

Bottom line: He learned how to handle the guts of computers, and to build networks from surplus routers so all his friends could come over for game nights, etc. But he never wrote a line of code through high school, despite my best efforts.

Then he got to college, decided he wanted to do CompSci. He was way behind in coding, but -- since it was a small liberal arts school -- the department was glad to have him and was patient. Plus he had some hands-on hardware skills that few others had (because the family computers were too expensive to tinker with, or no one knew anything about the innards).

He's now a gainfully employed SysAdmin, with a wife and mortgage and personal projects on the side -- and all his old pals still get together for game nights.

Maybe I wasn't a skilled or patient instructor, or maybe kids are just going to be what they are.

Re: My boys love 1986 computing

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Instead of burning a coaster, would it have worked to just play the .wav files out of the line-out jack on the more modern computer?

Yes. And in fact I tested it that way first.

But with the CD route, I trust them with something that cost a few cents, and with an interface they already know (play, stop, and next track buttons). Way easier for them and far fewer consequences for trips or spilled water!

Re: My boys love 1986 computing

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I love 1986 computing too! Everything was so simple. Just a single thread of execution to worry about. Then again, Javascript is also single-threaded essentially. Thus, from another point of view it looks like we're stuck in the 80s...

The fact that we live in multiple thread environments does not mean that we have to use them. The same could be said about Internet, people say "there was no Internet distractions" when you could disconnect the network in any computer with a 3 seconds click. In fact what threads do is make your life easier. I did program a multimedia program in DOS using INTs and it was the definition of hell. Now you could make a si…

multithreading programming is not "super easy." threads/parallelism give us power, but it definitely increased complexity and makes it harder to reason about the behavior of programs.

Re: My boys love 1986 computing

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I initially gave my two girls an old desktop computer with a linux on it. They started to use it before I showed them how and they started figuring stuff out without me and soon I was sitting riveted in the background watching them discover things and trying to learn about computer UIs and work out how they thought. Here's an old blog post about it: http://williamedwardscoder.tumblr.com/post/19500788060/my-te... - I…

Take heart, and permit my anecdotal counterexample -- with a happy ending. In the mid-90s, we picked up an used Mac Plus for our 5-year-old. He loved it, had no problem playing the heck out of the games, negotiating menus, etc. (Although I did get irrationally mad when, as he was playing Spit on Saddam -- a local Apple guy had written it, so I'd loaded it for kicks -- he actually spit on the screen.) So great, maybe…

I have a 1.5 year old and you gave me some hope. Thanks.

Out of curiosity, are you describing NJ and Rutgers? One of my close friends talks about computers auctions at the NJ state school with great fanfare when I met him in college and alas after his HS experiences in the early 2000s with his professor dad he discovered they had stopped.

Re: My boys love 1986 computing

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This brings me back to my junior high days, when I bought a Centris 650 Mac at a yard sale for the express purpose of installing OpenBSD. That was my first real delve into open source operating systems, and it deserves much of the credit for my professional developer career.

Re: My boys love 1986 computing

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Unfortunately, this is true for adults too. I used to code for hours and now I have such a hard time to stay focused...

Just spent the past 3 weeks with my parents in their cabin 2 hours from civilization. Only internet connection is slow $60/4 GB 3G that's only stable in the early AM and late PM. Haven't been this productive in AGES.

I had a similar experience when I moved recently.

I refrained from getting internet in my apartment for the first few months and found I was often more productive at home than I was at work.

As an extra bonus, my complex had a gym with free wifi. That meant, if I wanted to watch something from my streaming subscription, I had to work out too.

All this talk of it makes me thing maybe I should give it a try again...

Re: My boys love 1986 computing

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I agree with this sentiment. Do you have any good recommendations for books on the history computer science? Lots of options available, but I'm looking for a technical overview of the subject.

In the beginning there was the command line (1999) is the best I know http://faculty.georgetown.edu/irvinem/theory/Stephenson-Comm... Happy to hear suggestions of others- I haven't found much and haven't looked lately.

I really enjoy reading Neal Stephenson, thanks for finding this!
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