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Wait until your thermostat wiring goes bad. With a combination of hard-to-modify interior walls and an open plan design where wall-mounting often doesn't make sense, going with wireless thermostats was an easy choice. Now the thermostat in the main living area can be moved depending on whether we are using the wood stove, and the kitchen thermostat that was always too far from the radiators and too close to the oven…
regarding issues with themostat placement check out http://ecoventsystems.com/ Themometers in every room, and controllable vents let you set temps for each room, making each room its own zone. Granted it's only compatable with forced air systems but i love the idea of one zone per room.
How I Learned the Smart Home Industry Needs to Change, part 2
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#33House parts like central heating, taps, toilets and such tend to be very standard and long lived. How long did indoor toilets take to get traction? How big an advantage are indoor toilets over chamber pots?
A "gadget" is very flimsy feeling compared to a toilet. IE, I expect the toilet to work in 20 years, but not an ipod. It might get clogged, but any plumber will be able to fix it. I think people are hesitant about installing ipods as part of the core infrastructure of their houses. What happens if your windows system won't connect to a router you buy in 10 years. Who will fix it? What happens if wifi becomes obsolete?
I don't think I'm explaining this very well. Merging gadgets with houses is kind of unnatural. They operate at different time scales. Tortoises and fruit flies.
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#34No, I do not want that.
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#35The article didn't mention the biggest reason people aren't buying Nest, and the reason I didn't buy one: cost. The Nest thermostat runs around $200 - $250, while a basic thermostat can be had for around $20. It's the same for the Nest smoke detector: $99 versus less than $10 for a basic one. As one experienced in the real estate market, I can say that home builders usually go with the cheapest solution. And, I don't…
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#36Time for a small rant. I mostly agree with the premise of the article (that most home automation products are too tech-user targeted), but I have an even bigger complaint: Automation doesn't mean that you can control it from your fucking iPhone. Automation means that I don't have to think about it. It happens automatically . I was looking at "automated" systems for underground sprinklers this summer and it drove me i…
Ironically the first draft of this post hit a lot more on the point that the mere concept of automation is broken (hence the title, The Jetsons Fallacy).
Today's smart home solutions look more like universal remotes. The motion sensors, computer vision, and other sensor arrays create a system of false positives that need to be baby sat more than our old (analog) systems. This is a regression, and it will be many years before the tech is ready to move forward.
While I agree with the example you presented about dimming your lights when a movie starts, think about the use cases, and how horribly unpredictable we as humans are.
Instead I think home automation should focus on solvable problems that don't predict your behavior, but complement it.
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I'd be interested in Nest reliability data as well. I live in an area of the country that gets cold and a thermostat failure could be really expensive if pipes ended up freezing. Frankly just about anything that decreases system reliability is pretty much a no starter for me.
Now there's a product idea: a backup thermostat that takes over when the house temperature drops toward freezing.
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#38Time for a small rant. I mostly agree with the premise of the article (that most home automation products are too tech-user targeted), but I have an even bigger complaint: Automation doesn't mean that you can control it from your fucking iPhone. Automation means that I don't have to think about it. It happens automatically . I was looking at "automated" systems for underground sprinklers this summer and it drove me i…
Sprinkler systems (and the people who don't use them properly) are indeed in need of "automation" as you say. I see so many sprinklers on in the middle of the day (as opposed to early morning, when they should be on) or during a rain storm. It's not that hard to properly set the timer, but people still don't do it. Get the 80% cases right on sprinklers and the fact that people don't manually override is fine.
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#39Earlier quoted context omitted.
Sprinkler systems (and the people who don't use them properly) are indeed in need of "automation" as you say. I see so many sprinklers on in the middle of the day (as opposed to early morning, when they should be on) or during a rain storm. It's not that hard to properly set the timer, but people still don't do it. Get the 80% cases right on sprinklers and the fact that people don't manually override is fine.
I've never cared for a lawn in my life, so purely out of curiosity, why should a sprinkler system be on in the early morning? Wouldn't morning dew take care of watering grass around those hours?
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#40In the late 1980s, during the time I was in primary and high school, my parents had X10 lamp and appliance modules throughout their home. The main benefit of this was the ability to remotely turn on lamps, which was especially useful for those that didn't have wall switches and/or had their switch in some hard to reach location.
But a secondary benefit was scheduling. Since my parents both worked and I as a negligent teenager couldn't be bothered to remember to turn on outdoor lighting in the evening, there was an appeal in having the system simulate a "lived in" home by turning on key outdoor and indoor lamps at random times. Initially, my father set up a simple schedule using a programmable X10 controller, but we found this fairly limited.
I ended up putting together a menu-driven application that signaled an X10 controller and automated the system from my computer. Why develop the discipline to turn on evening lighting yourself when you can make a program to do so? The controller used a fairly simple serial protocol. Using the computer gave us a great deal more control. We could give more randomness than the controller's "1 hour window" and account for vacations by also automating weekends, among other things.
Fast forward to today and in my own house, I am using... wait for it... the same X10 controllers to allow me to remotely turn on and off lamps and appliances such as our attic fans. I no longer have that old application I built in the 1990s, but I also don't really care about the automation as much as simple remote control.
Here are my beefs with the automation industry today, and where I disagree with the author:
* I feel Nest is a meager representation of where the industry should be heading. It's thoroughly uninteresting to me: I already have a wireless programmable thermostat that I can use in any room of the house. It doesn't interface to the Internet, but frankly, I would never use that. I live in Los Angeles, so I don't ever need to kick-start the heater to warm the house up before I arrive home (or whatever else you can do with an Internet-connected thermostat). Maybe that's more interesting in other parts of the country. I've heard in some places, people remotely start their cars. Moreover, I turn on and off and fine-tune the temperature as my comfort merits. I don't want an energy-saving algorithm interfering.
* Meanwhile, X10 has not changed a bit since the late 1980s. The modules do the same thing they always did. The modules even look basically the same. They still send their signals over the electrical wires. I suppose they've been comfortable doing what they do and leaving it at that.
* I've recently converted 75% of my household from fluorescent and CFL to LED lighting. Now I have periodic X10 signaling problems. Superficial research suggests the X10 power-line signaling can get garbled when mixed with LED lighting. Great.
However, based on the above, I am considering replacing my X10 modules with Insteon modules that augment their power-line signaling with wireless signaling [1]. I don't yet have any experience with Insteon, but it looks like a promising (if expensive) successor to X10.
The author's chief complaint would appear to be that systems like Insteon are too complex for a non-technical consumer. That is probably true. Making systems like this easier to use is good. However, I fear that today's knee-jerk solution to complexity is remove options to simplify user adoption, gather as much data as possible, send data to central repository for analysis, control system from corporate headquarters. In other words, in today's world the plain "cloud" will solve all your problems as long as you surrender yourself.
Perhaps unfairly, I have boiled down to the same fundamental matter as many technical debates: how much control to give the consumer? It's the underpinning of the plain-cloud versus (re)decentralized Internet debate. As a decentralization partisan, I am emphatically in favor of giving the consumer control—of their data, their house, whatever. I don't believe that the only viable path to simplicity is to absolve the consumer of any thinking.
One can conceive of an Insteon system with the ethos of Nest. Plug in the controller and all of the modules, and the system will figure out how to control your devices, lamps, and security on its own by sending usage data to Insteon Inc. (Don't worry, we don't share this information with anyone but our most trusted advertising partners). Sure, you may have a lamp turn off while you're reading, but that's just the system telling you it's time to sleep. The convenience and energy savings are worth it.
I'm not saying it's gonna be Electric Dreams in your house, but I am saying I don't want your Edgar playing music on my radio.