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Re: JS1k demo: “Highway at Night”

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Post by icelancer »

josteink wrote: post #22
MrBra wrote: post #21

Now, I remember that in a recent discussion there was some arguing on Firefox new JS engine whose results were benchmarked at a higher position than Chroome's. So please try this on Firefox and then on Chroome and see the difference. Firefox is not yet there, sadly.

As a Firefox-user (on Linux!) who don't feel like installing Google's closed-source spyware-browser, would you be shocked to hear me chip in and say: I don't care. I don't need my browser to drive full-screen 3D games & demos on my current-laptop hardware. That's not what I (or anyone else) is currently using their browser for. Maybe 5 years from now things will have changed. Maybe then truly everything will be in th…

> Google's closed-source spyware-browser

This is serious FUD with no evidence.

Re: JS1k demo: “Highway at Night”

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Post by sampo »

tormeh wrote: post #15
adamcanady wrote: post #4

Wow. I can make sense of a little bit of the original source, but I wonder more how RegPack [0] works to compress it into that final submission! As a side note: I'm in college now and looking to propose an independent study on compression. Any suggested readings or algorithms I should look into? [0] https://github.com/Siorki/RegPack

Principal component analysis and then ignoring the least important components is the only compression technique I know. Hope it helps.

Well that is a lossy compression, can work nicely to some data (e.g. images), but totally irrelevant in the context of source code compression.

Re: JS1k demo: “Highway at Night”

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Post by josteink »

mschuster91 wrote: post #30
josteink wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Plus DRM and possibly other things Google is not telling us. It is a propriety browser distributed as a binary, effectively closed-source, so there is no way for us to know. Chromium! = Chrome and more people who realize that (and vocalize it) the better.

So what, anyone who wants to use Chrome-targeted websites/demos/games can just install Chromium and experience the same as a Chrome user. No problem at all.

Yes. Why bother about a fragmented world wide web where standards are second class if the new MSIE is partially open-source?

Do you honestly not have a problem with that?

Re: JS1k demo: “Highway at Night”

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Post by josteink »

icelancer wrote: post #31
josteink wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As a Firefox-user (on Linux!) who don't feel like installing Google's closed-source spyware-browser, would you be shocked to hear me chip in and say: I don't care. I don't need my browser to drive full-screen 3D games & demos on my current-laptop hardware. That's not what I (or anyone else) is currently using their browser for. Maybe 5 years from now things will have changed. Maybe then truly everything will be in th…

> Google's closed-source spyware-browser This is serious FUD with no evidence.

Closed-source is not disputable, it's a fact.

Which leaves the issue of your privacy: do you know what Google records of your data when using chrome, where it gets uploaded and stored, and how often?

I don't, and there's no way to know (due to closed source nature) so I don't trust it. That's not FUD. Those are facts.

Re: JS1k demo: “Highway at Night”

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Post by TazeTSchnitzel »

MrBra wrote: post #21

Now, I remember that in a recent discussion there was some arguing on Firefox new JS engine whose results were benchmarked at a higher position than Chroome's. So please try this on Firefox and then on Chroome and see the difference. Firefox is not yet there, sadly.

Yes, there are some cases where Chrome is faster than Firefox. There are also cases where Chrome is much, much slower than Firefox. In particular, Chrome runs asm.js games slower, and couldn't handle my WebGL Minecraft client.

I also remember that IE used to have far better canvas performance than Chrome or Firefox since IE9 was the first browser to hardware-accelerate 2D rendering.

From other comments in this thread, it sounds like things are improving in newer Firefox versions. There will always be worst-cases, but generally, I wouldn't say Chrome is really faster than Firefox.

Re: JS1k demo: “Highway at Night”

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Post by andrey-p »

dsl wrote: post #5

You can see all the submissions at http://js1k.com/2014-dragons/demos My favorite: http://js1k.com/2014-dragons/demo/1868

I really enjoyed playing around with the winner (http://js1k.com/2014-dragons/demo/1903), but I'm somehow surprised Highway At Night didn't win. Is there something about the winner's implementation that's particularly amazing?

Re: JS1k demo: “Highway at Night”

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Post by ErneX »

MrBra wrote: post #21

Now, I remember that in a recent discussion there was some arguing on Firefox new JS engine whose results were benchmarked at a higher position than Chroome's. So please try this on Firefox and then on Chroome and see the difference. Firefox is not yet there, sadly.

Feels the same on both here (2008 Mac Pro).

Re: JS1k demo: “Highway at Night”

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Post by bojo »

josteink wrote: post #34
icelancer wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Google's closed-source spyware-browser This is serious FUD with no evidence.

Closed-source is not disputable, it's a fact. Which leaves the issue of your privacy: do you know what Google records of your data when using chrome, where it gets uploaded and stored, and how often? I don't, and there's no way to know (due to closed source nature) so I don't trust it. That's not FUD. Those are facts.

You can examine your TCP traffic and verify that Chrome is or isn't doing anything with your data. That's a fact.

A lot of security experts out there would be making noise if they discovered that Chrome was phoning home, or doing anything overtly malicious.

Re: JS1k demo: “Highway at Night”

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Post by josteink »

bojo wrote: post #38
josteink wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Closed-source is not disputable, it's a fact. Which leaves the issue of your privacy: do you know what Google records of your data when using chrome, where it gets uploaded and stored, and how often? I don't, and there's no way to know (due to closed source nature) so I don't trust it. That's not FUD. Those are facts.

You can examine your TCP traffic and verify that Chrome is or isn't doing anything with your data. That's a fact. A lot of security experts out there would be making noise if they discovered that Chrome was phoning home, or doing anything overtly malicious.

So do you not consider sending every keystroke in your address bar spying? I do.

http://www.favbrowser.com/google-chrome-spyware-confirmed/

There's probably more, especially with sync enabled, like Google permanently storing your web site history, which cannot be verified from the client alone, because the server sync engine is 100% closed and hosted by Google.

Re: JS1k demo: “Highway at Night”

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Post by mschuster91 »

josteink wrote: post #33
mschuster91 wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So what, anyone who wants to use Chrome-targeted websites/demos/games can just install Chromium and experience the same as a Chrome user. No problem at all.

Yes. Why bother about a fragmented world wide web where standards are second class if the new MSIE is partially open-source? Do you honestly not have a problem with that?

There's enough competition in the web browser market to prevent a lock-in in IE6 scale. There's IE itself, still a massive force in enterprise, there's Firefox, there's Apple with its own Webkit fork in OSX/iOS...

edit: also, these days browsers work together in standardization communities and implement stuff from other browsers. This was basically non-existent at IE6 time, in addition to IE6 being basically frozen and closed for years.

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