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Re: The Next Chapter

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Post by venomsnake » Fri, Nov 21, 2014, 1:46 PM UTC

rayiner wrote: post #16

DevX101 wrote: post #12

I listened to a talk by an Aereo exec at SXSW and he made it clear then that there was no plan B. This was an all or nothing fight. Unfortunately the Supreme Court squashed them, but they really could have changed the world had the ruling gone the other way. ABC, NBC, CBS, and all the other broadcast networks would have had to change their business model and adapt or slowly die like the Blockbusters of the world. Des…

Yes, changed the world by making it legal to build a business off someone else's content that you got for free through a legal hack. Tragic it didn't work out. The Blockbuster analogy is frankly insulting to people who built real technology for video delivery. Blockbuster went bankrupt because technology made their middle-man position obsolete. In contrast, there is nothing obsolete about making content. Even in the…

The main problems right now are the IP laws IMO. They are way too heavily skewed for the benefit of the creator and not society, which makes building any innovation a game of begging. And gives the creator power to kill said innovation.

I would love shorter terms and some form of FRAND compulsory licensing.

Re: The Next Chapter

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Post by corbinpage » Fri, Nov 21, 2014, 1:52 PM UTC

This is such a shame.

Aereo was an important part of my cord cutting strategy here in NYC.

I can still get a lot of content from Roku + Chromecast but can't get the nationally broadcast channels (antennas won't work for my apartment location). Seems so backwards to me.

I can't wait for an Aereo replacement if anyone knows of one.

Re: The Next Chapter

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Post by chiph » Fri, Nov 21, 2014, 1:55 PM UTC

raverbashing wrote: post #17

DevX101 wrote: post #12

I listened to a talk by an Aereo exec at SXSW and he made it clear then that there was no plan B. This was an all or nothing fight. Unfortunately the Supreme Court squashed them, but they really could have changed the world had the ruling gone the other way. ABC, NBC, CBS, and all the other broadcast networks would have had to change their business model and adapt or slowly die like the Blockbusters of the world. Des…

" ABC, NBC, CBS, and all the other broadcast networks would have had to change their business model and adapt or slowly die" But here's the thing. They still have to do that TV viewing is at an all-time low. Broadcast TV has a different business model than Cable, but viewings have been going down for both. Aereo's was too much a bet for too small of a win. "Now you can watch open TV on the internet" Any broadcaster c…

One of the things that Ted Turner did was turn WTBS into "The Superstation" by licensing it to cable operators across the country. And the rest is history.

I don't know why any broadcaster doesn't make the same move, becoming the "Internet Superstation".

Re: The Next Chapter

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Post by PublicEnemy111 » Fri, Nov 21, 2014, 2:03 PM UTC

dredmorbius wrote: post #19

DevX101 wrote: post #12

I listened to a talk by an Aereo exec at SXSW and he made it clear then that there was no plan B. This was an all or nothing fight. Unfortunately the Supreme Court squashed them, but they really could have changed the world had the ruling gone the other way. ABC, NBC, CBS, and all the other broadcast networks would have had to change their business model and adapt or slowly die like the Blockbusters of the world. Des…

Except that Chapter 11 is a reorganization, not a liquidation. Aero are planning some level of operations going forward. Though the posting seems to suggest there's not a lot in play. Curious.

Isn't chapter 11 a liquidation or reorganization with the debtee liquidating the debt while chapter 7 is when the debtor does the liquidation?

Re: The Next Chapter

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Post by rayiner » Fri, Nov 21, 2014, 2:05 PM UTC

fnordfnordfnord wrote: post #18

rayiner wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, changed the world by making it legal to build a business off someone else's content that you got for free through a legal hack. Tragic it didn't work out. The Blockbuster analogy is frankly insulting to people who built real technology for video delivery. Blockbuster went bankrupt because technology made their middle-man position obsolete. In contrast, there is nothing obsolete about making content. Even in the…

>Yes, changed the world by making it legal to build a business off someone else's content that you got for free through a legal hack. Tons of legal businesses are built upon the same concept, especially in media distribution.

The bedrock of which are voluntary, consensual distribution arrangements.

Re: The Next Chapter

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Post by wdewind » Fri, Nov 21, 2014, 2:05 PM UTC

rayiner wrote: post #16

DevX101 wrote: post #12

I listened to a talk by an Aereo exec at SXSW and he made it clear then that there was no plan B. This was an all or nothing fight. Unfortunately the Supreme Court squashed them, but they really could have changed the world had the ruling gone the other way. ABC, NBC, CBS, and all the other broadcast networks would have had to change their business model and adapt or slowly die like the Blockbusters of the world. Des…

Yes, changed the world by making it legal to build a business off someone else's content that you got for free through a legal hack. Tragic it didn't work out. The Blockbuster analogy is frankly insulting to people who built real technology for video delivery. Blockbuster went bankrupt because technology made their middle-man position obsolete. In contrast, there is nothing obsolete about making content. Even in the…

>Yes, changed the world by making it legal to build a business off someone else's content that you got for free through a legal hack. Tragic it didn't work out.

I think I mostly agree with you, but just to play devil's advocate: this is broadcast television. It's already being given away for free. I could easily and legally build a kit to record this broadcast without a cable box/official dvr. I could also rewatch that stuff any time legally. In theory I could legally pay someone to do this for me, head over and pick up the DVDs/VHS tapes in person and rewatch them myself. Please correct me if I'm wrong, but up until this point it's all legal right?

But doing all this over the internet is suddenly illegal? (Or is it the point where I pay someone else to do it for me? Either way seems kind of arbitrary to me...)

Re: The Next Chapter

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Post by cenhyperion » Fri, Nov 21, 2014, 2:07 PM UTC

chiph wrote: post #23

raverbashing wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

" ABC, NBC, CBS, and all the other broadcast networks would have had to change their business model and adapt or slowly die" But here's the thing. They still have to do that TV viewing is at an all-time low. Broadcast TV has a different business model than Cable, but viewings have been going down for both. Aereo's was too much a bet for too small of a win. "Now you can watch open TV on the internet" Any broadcaster c…

One of the things that Ted Turner did was turn WTBS into "The Superstation" by licensing it to cable operators across the country. And the rest is history. I don't know why any broadcaster doesn't make the same move, becoming the "Internet Superstation".

> I don't know why any broadcaster doesn't make the same move, becoming the "Internet Superstation".

I'd argue Netflix beat them to the punch when it started creating original, acclaimed content. How many < 30 year olds don't regularly watch TV, but pay monthly for Netflix? I'm one.

Re: The Next Chapter

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Post by [deleted] » Fri, Nov 21, 2014, 2:08 PM UTC

venomsnake wrote: post #21

rayiner wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, changed the world by making it legal to build a business off someone else's content that you got for free through a legal hack. Tragic it didn't work out. The Blockbuster analogy is frankly insulting to people who built real technology for video delivery. Blockbuster went bankrupt because technology made their middle-man position obsolete. In contrast, there is nothing obsolete about making content. Even in the…

The main problems right now are the IP laws IMO. They are way too heavily skewed for the benefit of the creator and not society, which makes building any innovation a game of begging. And gives the creator power to kill said innovation. I would love shorter terms and some form of FRAND compulsory licensing.

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Re: The Next Chapter

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Post by disposition2 » Fri, Nov 21, 2014, 2:08 PM UTC

rayiner wrote: post #16

DevX101 wrote: post #12

I listened to a talk by an Aereo exec at SXSW and he made it clear then that there was no plan B. This was an all or nothing fight. Unfortunately the Supreme Court squashed them, but they really could have changed the world had the ruling gone the other way. ABC, NBC, CBS, and all the other broadcast networks would have had to change their business model and adapt or slowly die like the Blockbusters of the world. Des…

Yes, changed the world by making it legal to build a business off someone else's content that you got for free through a legal hack. Tragic it didn't work out. The Blockbuster analogy is frankly insulting to people who built real technology for video delivery. Blockbuster went bankrupt because technology made their middle-man position obsolete. In contrast, there is nothing obsolete about making content. Even in the…

What is your opinion on TuneIn? I feel like if Aereo is illegal, TuneIn is just as illegal...they basically provide the exact same service just different sources.

Also, would you consider it equally illegal if I paid "Bill" 6 miles down the road to put up and antenna and stream the feed online for me (and only me) to view?

Re: The Next Chapter

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Post by tomp » Fri, Nov 21, 2014, 2:09 PM UTC

rayiner wrote: post #16

DevX101 wrote: post #12

I listened to a talk by an Aereo exec at SXSW and he made it clear then that there was no plan B. This was an all or nothing fight. Unfortunately the Supreme Court squashed them, but they really could have changed the world had the ruling gone the other way. ABC, NBC, CBS, and all the other broadcast networks would have had to change their business model and adapt or slowly die like the Blockbusters of the world. Des…

Yes, changed the world by making it legal to build a business off someone else's content that you got for free through a legal hack. Tragic it didn't work out. The Blockbuster analogy is frankly insulting to people who built real technology for video delivery. Blockbuster went bankrupt because technology made their middle-man position obsolete. In contrast, there is nothing obsolete about making content. Even in the…

What legal hack? The content is flowing freely over the air, they are just transforming it's timing and delivery... Just like banks (for current accounts), or like batteries (for electricity).

The model was even opt-in; only content that was already broadcast was available, and if any producer didn't want to be offered on Aereo, they could simply stop broadcasting!