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Re: CotEditor – Text Editor for OS X

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Post by freshyill »

drivingmenuts wrote: post #40
brianpgordon wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

IntelliJ uses a totally custom widget toolkit that actually looks great. But yeah, NetBeans isn't especially easy on the eyes.

I'm using Netbeans at work now, on a Mac, and the experience has been considerably less than ideal. The UI is almost, but not quite Mac-like (to be fair, when I've used it on Windows, the UI was almost-but-not-quite Windows-like) and I keep running up against things that seem like they should be configurable but are not. It's like Netbeans was designed by people who had UIs described to them, then semi-randomly decid…

Not-quite-Mac-like is way worse than not-at-all-Mac-like.

Look at Sublime and Atom. Completely customizable and identical across platforms. I'd prefer that level of honesty to the fake-Mac interfaces that try and fail to look native.

Re: CotEditor – Text Editor for OS X

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Post by plg »

tkubacki wrote: post #110

recently I replaced OSX on my macbook to Ubuntu and I'm very pleased for the following reasons: 1. better key shortcuts: no hassle to maximize, windows ninja moves without additional software, can do every UI operation with keyboard (most common with cmd+num run/bring back app), fn + arrow works as cmd+arrow on osx, same key shortcuts, UI on all desktops I use everyday 2. easier software install: apt vs brew (ex. ins…

how is battery life? Last time I tried installing linux on a macbook pro (1) the machine ran hot all the time and (2) the battery life was seriously reduced compared to using os x.

Have things improved? Might be time to try again?

Re: CotEditor – Text Editor for OS X

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Post by doodpants »

drivingmenuts wrote: post #40
brianpgordon wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

IntelliJ uses a totally custom widget toolkit that actually looks great. But yeah, NetBeans isn't especially easy on the eyes.

I'm using Netbeans at work now, on a Mac, and the experience has been considerably less than ideal. The UI is almost, but not quite Mac-like (to be fair, when I've used it on Windows, the UI was almost-but-not-quite Windows-like) and I keep running up against things that seem like they should be configurable but are not. It's like Netbeans was designed by people who had UIs described to them, then semi-randomly decid…

I love NetBeans on Windows, but it's terrible on Mac if you're a Dvorak typist and you want to use keyboard shortcuts. For some reason, when using the Dvorak layout, NetBeans can't decide whether to interpret a key press as Dvorak or QWERTY when using shortcuts, and often it uses both. For example, the W key in QWERTY is a comma in Dvorak. If you press Cmd-, to invoke the Preferences dialog, it interprets this as both Cmd-, and Cmd-W, so it brings up the Preferences dialog and closes the current file.

Re: CotEditor – Text Editor for OS X

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Post by davidwparker »

fdsary wrote: post #5

I'm pretty effective with vim, so much that other 'normal' editors like sublime & other modern gui editors make me feel a little crippled. That is a problem, because you need to be flexible about things in life. Has anyone succeeded in deliberately changing editors, even when not feeling like it's necessary? I'm especially curious how I could start using emacs, and actually get up to speed with it instead of using it…

I switched from Emacs to both LightTable and Atom full-time. While I'm much more efficient in Emacs, integration are the killer features in the other two, in a way that I didn't have my .emacs setup.

With LightTable, I do mostly WebGL and I often have a browser tab up with my live WebGL stuff all the time. This is super efficient and extremely nice.

With Atom, I do mostly web development. Quickly jumping between files (faster than I did in Emacs) and knowing which files have been changed (they're highlighted in the tree-view) is very helpful for all work-related things.

Re: CotEditor – Text Editor for OS X

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Post by tkubacki »

plg wrote: post #112
tkubacki wrote: post #110

recently I replaced OSX on my macbook to Ubuntu and I'm very pleased for the following reasons: 1. better key shortcuts: no hassle to maximize, windows ninja moves without additional software, can do every UI operation with keyboard (most common with cmd+num run/bring back app), fn + arrow works as cmd+arrow on osx, same key shortcuts, UI on all desktops I use everyday 2. easier software install: apt vs brew (ex. ins…

how is battery life? Last time I tried installing linux on a macbook pro (1) the machine ran hot all the time and (2) the battery life was seriously reduced compared to using os x. Have things improved? Might be time to try again?

I think it' not much worse than osx but can't say anything for sure - I usually work with power cord (just sometimes in customer's office)

Re: CotEditor – Text Editor for OS X

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Post by brianpgordon »

drivingmenuts wrote: post #40
brianpgordon wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

IntelliJ uses a totally custom widget toolkit that actually looks great. But yeah, NetBeans isn't especially easy on the eyes.

I'm using Netbeans at work now, on a Mac, and the experience has been considerably less than ideal. The UI is almost, but not quite Mac-like (to be fair, when I've used it on Windows, the UI was almost-but-not-quite Windows-like) and I keep running up against things that seem like they should be configurable but are not. It's like Netbeans was designed by people who had UIs described to them, then semi-randomly decid…

Oh dear god, Eclipse approaches Adobe-level awfulness of widget toolkit design.

Re: CotEditor – Text Editor for OS X

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Post by brianpgordon »

nawariata wrote: post #64
arcosdev wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes Pycharm and Webstorm are amazing

Sans the Java part.

They are written in Java. The platform that they're built on is available on GitHub:

https://github.com/JetBrains/intellij-community

Re: CotEditor – Text Editor for OS X

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Post by doodpants »

jackmaney wrote: post #56
VieElm wrote: post #55

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Why do you have text files that are 200MB? Why don't you separate that into multiple files? 200MB of text? Moby Dick is 1MB in plain text. The Holy Bible is like 4MB in plain text. What is in your files? I think you may be doing something wrong.

s/I think you may be/You are/ No single file of source code should ever be even close to 200MB, and no data file (CSV, XML, etc) of that size should be manually edited in a text editor. Wrong tool for the wrong job.

Indeed, 640 KB ought to be enough for anybody. :/

Re: CotEditor – Text Editor for OS X

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Post by alextgordon »

veidr wrote: post #93
heliodor wrote: post #88

Looks beautiful and well-designed. Clearly a lot of effort has gone into it. I can't say I will try as I don't see enough selling points to peel me away from Sublime. I see some features that seem to address some pain points of Japanese users, so maybe that demographic will be more interested. Looking at the screenshots, I have to wonder why the developer chose to place the settings for line endings, encoding, and fi…

I can confirm that text encoding is still a real pain in Japan. Despite the fact that we now have UTF-8, which should be used whenever possible, legacy encodings like SJIS, EUC, etc. still abound. For instance, whenever I download CSV bank or credit card data here in Japan, I always have to convert the file from one of those encodings before using it. At work in Tokyo, I deal with email in these encoding (or worse --…

Off-topic response: w.r.t. code completion plugins in Chocolat, the hard part is already done. With v3, the plugin API is now process-separated, and communication is over mach ports. Now that there's a stable, non-blocking and low-latency foundation for plugins, all I need to do is figure out a good API for it.

My advice to aspiring text editor authors would be: do development on the slowest most outdated computer you can find. I use a 2007 iMac: 2GHz, 3GB of RAM and a 128MB ATI Radeon 2400. If the app works OK for me, it should work awesomely for everybody else!

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