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Stop Changing UIs for No Good Reason

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Re: Stop Changing UIs for No Good Reason

#151
There's a misalignment of incentive for changing UI. For the designer/manager its great - they can say I was the designer of the cool new whatever UI, put it on their cv, get promoted etc. Much more fun than doing maintenance. $100k value?

For the users it's the other way assuming the functionality's the same. They have to spend time relearning the darn thing - say a $5 pain in the arse? Times 10 million users a $50m cost to society perhaps.

Re: Stop Changing UIs for No Good Reason

#152

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Agreed. Some more venting... Calendar is now rubbish, month view is gone, schedule view is too limited and there's way to much whitespace and 'fat' place cards. Got multiple Google accounts? You can't remove the 'events' calendar. And 'Events' is ostensibly the first calendar in your actual online Google Calendar which you might have named 'Home' but in the app is steadfastly refuses to be called anything but 'events…

> why is removing the key separators a good idea? // I've a suggestion for this one - key separators support a paradigm of key presses , following the [traditional] keyboard metaphor. However with swipe-able keyboards it doesn't really make sense, you only need to approximate the position of the letter during your swipe - no "barriers" helps to enforce that new paradigm. If most people swipe, then it makes sense to m…

Yes but swiping does not work particular well if the words you use are not in the dictionary already.

Re: Stop Changing UIs for No Good Reason

#153

What are there, 1B Android users? I'm sure Google would like that to be 7B. I'd wager the complaints of the sort of people who frequent lobste.rs or HN are not representative of the majority of current users and almost certainly not of the next 6B potential users. Overall, it's everything Google said they would do with material [1]. It's fine to dislike these things, I don't necessarily like them myself, but claiming…

When I help people out with their computers and I run updates (pretty much everyone I go to stay with!) they always complain if there's been a change in the UI at all - "why's that button moved?" "where's my favourites?" "how do I access my inbox now?" "why does it keep popping up that thing?" ... I'd really like to see some respect for this from people like Firefox - "we won't move any major UI elements or update th…

This is why I won't recommend Android to any friends or family. Being the most technically literate person most of them know, they all come to me for help fixing problems with their computers or phones.

The UI changes in iOS7 caused a whole bunch of questions and problems with my "support network", but with Android it would be like that every year with every OS update.

Re: Stop Changing UIs for No Good Reason

#154

Argh, lollipop's driving me up the wall! Vent time, woo! The thing I'm hating is that they've managed to completely screw up Chrome by getting rid of tabs and mixing them all in with your other apps, in an attempt to force you to use the bloody useless app switcher button instead of making it do something vaguely useful. And the lock screen, what the hell were they thinking? The amount of times I've opened the phone…

"Auto-brightness has been got rid of so often you're..."

It's still there under Settings. It's now called "Adaptive brightness"

Re: Stop Changing UIs for No Good Reason

#155

Started switching to alternatives after Gmail redesign fiasco. Last nail in the coffin was Google maps 'redesign'. I loved both these products but have now moved on. Luckily for us Here maps is alive and kicking and it's so much better than GMaps! Why are people still stuck with Google Maps, I don't know. Here has everything and more. Real offline navigation! And they have an Android app too!

This needs more attention. I was pleasantly surprised to discover that Nokia's HERE recently became available in beta for all Android users (free): http://here.com/beta/android/?lang=en-US

Having used a Windows Phone for some time before switching back to Android, the HERE maps app was the one thing I missed the most. Offline support is a must for me and Google Maps' offline 'support' is a joke. (I'm currently in Paris, without mobile Internet access. Google Maps is useless as soon as I leave the house.) OsmAnd/Maps.me do offline properly, but their UIs are lacking and both have serious GPS issues on my Nexus 5.

HERE just works great. There are many lovely little features.

Like, if I click on a subway station nearby, Google Maps (Lollipop) will show me the name of the station and how long it takes to get there, and if I swipe up it will also tell me the lines going from that station and show some share/depart buttons and street photos.

If I click on the same station in HERE, it will overlay the routes of the station's subway lines on the map so that I can at once actually see where they are going. Incredibly more useful, especially in big cities like Paris or Berlin where there can be a dozen subway lines or more.

I wonder if small features like these and the whole offline thing reflect where the developers come from? It seems like the Google Maps team doesn't take public transport very seriously, and that they can't imagine people ever being without Internet access.

Re: Stop Changing UIs for No Good Reason

#156

What are there, 1B Android users? I'm sure Google would like that to be 7B. I'd wager the complaints of the sort of people who frequent lobste.rs or HN are not representative of the majority of current users and almost certainly not of the next 6B potential users. Overall, it's everything Google said they would do with material [1]. It's fine to dislike these things, I don't necessarily like them myself, but claiming…

When I help people out with their computers and I run updates (pretty much everyone I go to stay with!) they always complain if there's been a change in the UI at all - "why's that button moved?" "where's my favourites?" "how do I access my inbox now?" "why does it keep popping up that thing?" ... I'd really like to see some respect for this from people like Firefox - "we won't move any major UI elements or update th…

One solution might be to keep supporting the previous two or three layouts, and provide an easy way to switch back and forward between them.

Re: Stop Changing UIs for No Good Reason

#157

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Windows XP - I was most productive on this OS...BY FAR. Everything since has been less optimal. This includes IOS.

Well think about it, now that you have to air gap it to keep it secure it's probably even more productive than before - no time wasted on HN for example!

I'm pretty sure I read of a method that works even with air gap https://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2013/10/air_gaps.html

Re: Stop Changing UIs for No Good Reason

#158
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I find the new Google Maps UI to be frustrating. The number of taps to just find directions to something after you search for it seems to be increased, for no good reason. I think it's mainly because there are multiple paths through the app to do the same thing, and some of them are optimized flows and others are not. So tapping the search bar is not the most efficient way to get directions anymore... you should tap…

Man! Move on. Start using Here maps. I don't know why people are stuck with GMpas when far more superior alternative is available. They have a new android app as well!

Looks like Here maps isn't available for iOS.

Re: Stop Changing UIs for No Good Reason

#159
I don't use android, but I've been frustrated with pretty much every change to gmail over the last 4 years or so. Not to mention the new Google maps.

It seems that some bad designers have gained quite a bit of political power within Google somehow.

Re: Stop Changing UIs for No Good Reason

#160

Argh, lollipop's driving me up the wall! Vent time, woo! The thing I'm hating is that they've managed to completely screw up Chrome by getting rid of tabs and mixing them all in with your other apps, in an attempt to force you to use the bloody useless app switcher button instead of making it do something vaguely useful. And the lock screen, what the hell were they thinking? The amount of times I've opened the phone…

Agreed. Some more venting... Calendar is now rubbish, month view is gone, schedule view is too limited and there's way to much whitespace and 'fat' place cards. Got multiple Google accounts? You can't remove the 'events' calendar. And 'Events' is ostensibly the first calendar in your actual online Google Calendar which you might have named 'Home' but in the app is steadfastly refuses to be called anything but 'events…

The month view is not gone ("three dot" menu on the right side -> Month) and you can easily untick `Events` per account to hide them.

The gmail app still allows you to use a list to select different accounts (tap on the account name).

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