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Senator Al Franken's Letter to Uber [pdf]

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Re: Senator Al Franken's Letter to Uber [pdf]

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>But it's also kid stuff compared to what other entities (including the Federal Government itself, whose behavior we never agreed to in a TOS agreement) are engaged in, Complaining about gov't behaviour compared to private enterprise is like complaining about how kernel-level processes can do so much more than userland processes.

No, it would be like complaining that a bug found in an userland program is publicly scrutinized but not when the same one is found on a kernel program.

One man's bug is another man's misunderstood feature. Cf. Shellshock.

Re: Senator Al Franken's Letter to Uber [pdf]

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So, I completely agree with this letter, but I felt a sense of unease reading it. I realized why. Other companies are as bad or worse about privacy, where are all those letters? I wish there were a lot more of these and wonder if the only reason this one exists is because the blowup with Uber was so visible and so it can be used for political posturing.

Uber has more public exposure, and perhaps as Apple learned before them as did Google, you need members of Congress. Sometimes they remind you of that subtlety, other times not so much; legislation.

Re: Senator Al Franken's Letter to Uber [pdf]

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This story was on top of HN a few moments ago and then seemed to drop like a stone while gaining points: currently at 22nd position with 325 points and 10 hours old, whereas these stories are above it (all as old or older and with less points):

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Re: Senator Al Franken's Letter to Uber [pdf]

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This story was on top of HN a few moments ago and then seemed to drop like a stone while gaining points : currently at 22nd position with 325 points and 10 hours old, whereas these stories are above it (all as old or older and with less points): pos id points hours 6 8632209 292 15 9 8633707 129 10 12 8633683 204 14 13 8632405 139 14 17 8632363 140 15 18 8633286 58 12 20 8632043 161 16 21 8632018 141 16 What's happen…

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Re: Senator Al Franken's Letter to Uber [pdf]

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So, I completely agree with this letter, but I felt a sense of unease reading it. I realized why. Other companies are as bad or worse about privacy, where are all those letters? I wish there were a lot more of these and wonder if the only reason this one exists is because the blowup with Uber was so visible and so it can be used for political posturing.

> if the only reason this one exists is because the blowup with Uber was so visible

If you're a U.S. senator, you're probably not all that plugged-in to what various companies are doing with privacy. Heck, I'm constantly learning new things: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=8634687.

> and so it can be used for political posturing.

So? You're unlikely to be able to build-up the mindshare to tackle an industry-wide problem without meaningful high-profile examples. Uber happens to make a particularly good one: they have a "God Mode" where they can see everyone's physical location! Quite a bit more visceral than uploading your e-mail address to Facebook and following you around with 1x1 pixel images.

Re: Senator Al Franken's Letter to Uber [pdf]

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It's not "exploiting others' fears" when there is actual evidence that Uber has tracked journalists and other high profile figures, and top execs have brashly threatened to spend millions investigating journalists' personal lives. This is disgusting.

top execs have brashly threatened to spend millions investigating journalists' personal lives Nope. ONE exec went on a rant at a party about what HE would hypothetically like to do to a self-declared enemy of the company. Have you ever been really frustrated with someone and said "Ugh sometimes I'd like to ring his/her neck" or similar? Now imagine someone overheard you, took it literally, and called the person you w…

Maybe you missed this post regarding Uber employees tracking customers for fun, in realtime, on a monitor at a public event.

https://medium.com/@petersimsie/can-we-trust-uber-c0e793deda...

Re: Senator Al Franken's Letter to Uber [pdf]

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This was my reaction as well. Yes, Uber's behavior here is reprehensible. But it's also kid stuff compared to what other entities (including the Federal Government itself, whose behavior we never agreed to in a TOS agreement) are engaged in, and I have to wonder what, if any, authority the government could exert in these circumstances (disregarding the appropriateness of the use of said authority, or any potential le…

I see what you're saying, but there are two things that make this more egregious than other (assumed) offenses. First, Uber did this brazenly and, one could argue, openly. Their hubris needs to be curbed this way. Second, Uber explicitly wanted to go after a member of the press. The press is our shield against all the evil that is done against the public by governments and corporations. We need our journalists to fee…

"The press is our shield against all the evil that is done against the public by governments and corporations."

This seems incredibly naive to me. It's certainly idealistic, and it's extremely difficult to believe that the media, at least the American media, isn't heavily biased by capitalism. Sensationalism does more harm than good, and it's trivial to "buy" press coverage. The New York Times may very well have enough integrity to refuse to be bought, but it's a common practice to solicit journalists to write articles about new products and such. If you have an agenda, there are journalists ready to be paid to support it. Not only is the press sometimes not our shield, sometimes they're actually a sword against us.

While Travis' comments were certainly regrettable, there's an important distinction between talking about doing something and actually doing it. Almost anytime someone is called out for something they've said, the comments are taken out of context. It's easy for me to imagine that what was said was a reaction to a journalist behaving badly, writing an article with an agenda. It seems likely that the suggestion to use trip data was a suggestion to stoop to the same level, rather than simply to be evil towards someone who was noble and with unquestionable integrity. Uber gets a lot of press, and while some fair points are made, the press I've seen tends to be overly aggressive, misinformed, and usually displaying a clear agenda. What Uber is doing is revolutionary, disrupting well entrenched business models. When you disrupt an industry, you make enemies of the people who were lazily profiting from it. That doesn't mean Uber is good and their opponents are evil. But make no mistake that there is a battle going on, and ugly things are being said on both sides. We're all a bunch of idiots if we waste time letting ourselves be drawn in by someone else's agenda rather than assessing the merits of each side independently and voting with our wallets.

Re: Senator Al Franken's Letter to Uber [pdf]

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While the condescending tone is unnecessary, logicallee is right. There are actually zero links, Google just removes the quotes and shows results for that. None of them seem to have all the words together or the acronym. Just random occurrences of words on the page, and it's predominantly military documents.

That's because the military are actually really good at doing systems engineering, because it's all about writing requirements specifications, managing acquisitions and testing for delivery against requirements which is the military's bread and butter. Most of my experience in this area has been workign for ex-military people. NASA are also really good at it, and they publish a handbook on it which is very good: (war…

The problem is that the equivalent (US) military acronym is "DOTMLPF" - Doctrine, Organization, Training, Materiel, Leadership, Personnel, Facilities. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DOTMLPF I'm a systems engineer that works for the military and I've never heard of "POSTED", it may be a NASA thing since they kinda have their own flavor of SE.

Re: Senator Al Franken's Letter to Uber [pdf]

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The "low barrier to entry" is repeated on every Uber story and I don't get it. It's a business with a very strong network effects: you need both sides of the market because without drivers, users are not interested and without users drivers are not interested. Uber seems to have a big lead over competition here, is growing like crazy and they raised insane amounts of capital so that they can grow faster than competit…

> you need a great iOS app > you need a great Android app Neither of these is rocket surgery. Good devs can create an app very quickly, especially if your directions are "clone this other app." > you need a backed that is both fast and has rock solid 24/7 reliability. it can't be like Twitter in early days So you need something that isn't node + redis + mongo + riak running heroku through cloudflare. This is also qui…

And you could start in your small college town, work out the bugs in your process and then go national, then international. @debacle I agree. Micro-Ubers could pop up all over.

Re: Senator Al Franken's Letter to Uber [pdf]

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That's because the military are actually really good at doing systems engineering, because it's all about writing requirements specifications, managing acquisitions and testing for delivery against requirements which is the military's bread and butter. Most of my experience in this area has been workign for ex-military people. NASA are also really good at it, and they publish a handbook on it which is very good: (war…

The problem is that the equivalent (US) military acronym is "DOTMLPF" - Doctrine, Organization, Training, Materiel, Leadership, Personnel, Facilities. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DOTMLPF I'm a systems engineer that works for the military and I've never heard of "POSTED", it may be a NASA thing since they kinda have their own flavor of SE.

I'm AU and the guys I deal with are ex-ADF so I don't know. I'm glad that there's a wiki link for that one though, that helps when I next have to reference it :)

Same idea either way - the system is far more than just the equipment/technology.

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