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Re: Ask HN: Bootstrapped business is good but slow growth. Should I raise money?

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Gut feeling: that's a high revenue for one person. It can be easy to take for granted if the growth took a long time. But just wanted to offer another data point, that my old partner and I only managed about $1500 a month on our best month selling shareware games 15 years ago (this was before app stores, we were high on sites like download.com, but never saw anything approaching exponential growth).

It’s straightforward to make more than that consulting. The catch is that consulting businesses generally have no intrinsic value. Their value is in the workers, so if there are N people and one of them leaves, they’re worth about 1/N less. In other words, the have less resale value than product businesses.

So I would say, if you want your business to be worth something, consider streamlining it to the point where it no longer needs you. The catch to that is that it isn’t something you do while you are still working on your minimum viable product (MVP). So ask yourself:

1) are you still getting established? - then bootstrap, nobody will lend you money other than credit card companies

2) or are you at a point where you have some breathing room? - consider funding from family and friends because even long tail decline can pay them back

3) or is everything in place to the point where you are ready for exponential growth? - raise big money

I started writing a big spiel about brick and mortar stores and getting loans in exchange for a stake in the business but it wasn’t something that couldn’t be gleaned from watching a few episodes of Shark Tank.

The way I see it is, you’re probably still a consultancy, still in phase 1, but on the threshold of phase 2. But congats, because most people never make it that far. So are you familiar enough with promotion and branding to get new business on your own? Or can you find a partner somewhere who is as established as you in some way (having either skills or cash), who will help you rather than hinder you? Or do you have a family friend who has experience running a business and more importantly, has the cash you get you to phase 2 in a short amount of time?

Concretely, it sounds like you need money so you can give your full attention to refactoring and hiring for growth, and you know an angel investor. Don’t hold onto the job. But don’t go and borrow more money than you need either. You’re in a unique position where you could borrow 6 months or a year’s wages without having to work for and save that money yourself (which takes 10 times longer - so if you wanted to save $10,000, you would have to earn $100,000, which most people don’t have the means to do, and that’s the actual thing that stops people from starting their own businesses, not dedication or talent or the things that hackers tell themselves to feel special). As a general rule, a bank might lend you what you have in savings. But an angel investor might lend you a lot more for some percentage of the business. A partner would want half, but maybe there’s a sweet spot where you could borrow more and give up less, because you have enough cashflow to survive on your own without the money. I made the choice to give up my job and go it alone a couple of years ago, but I don’t have 2 kids to support, and now it’s not so much about the money as missing the interaction with smart people. So now ironically having a great team and a sustainable income would be more attractive to me than any amount of money, because the sky would be the limit. Maybe thinking about what you really want, and accepting that you’re being given a special opportunity rather than merely weighing risks, will help you decide how to proceed. Good luck!

Re: Ask HN: Bootstrapped business is good but slow growth. Should I raise money?

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I'm looking to relocate to NYC/DC and I have a passive income stream that supports me. I've been looking for jobs that would utilize my journalism/sales experience, but with a focus on technology. Care to chat?

Hi sure. how can I get in touch with you ?

Re: Ask HN: Bootstrapped business is good but slow growth. Should I raise money?

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Thx. Very difficult to hire someone locally. I am in NYC area and with my profits before taxes being 5K (give or take), I doubt I can find someone even part time here in the US. I could go offshore but I dont' want to because of timezone and communication gap issues. I know this because my current freelancer even though good, is offshore and I am not able to drive things forward with him as smoothly as I want to. Btw…

I understand. I guess it depends on the level you are hiring at. If you need someone who has specific knowledge then they are probably too expensive, but if you can train someone, then you can probably hire someone with very limited experience and willing to grow with a company. Good luck on your venture. Exciting times ahead for you and it's inspirational for the rest of us. Feel free to shoot me an email if you'd l…

Would love to chat. Coffee or lunch on me too since you are in NYC :). How do I get in touch ? I don't see your contact info in your profile.

Re: Ask HN: Bootstrapped business is good but slow growth. Should I raise money?

#36

You don't happen to be in the Hudson Valley do you? We've got the Hudson Valley Tech Meetup second week of December and there's several folks just like you at that. Several now have distributed workforces. Happy to introduce you. PS. I'm totally intrigued now to find out what your WP app is!

sure where exactly is the meetup ? I will try to make it. How do I signup ?

Re: Ask HN: Bootstrapped business is good but slow growth. Should I raise money?

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Excellent points. I already have a detailed video demo of the app and quite a few marketing materials. In fact, the videos are the reasons I get a lot of inquiries because people love it. For existing clients, I have a lot of training materials in the form of videos and FAQs as well that they can go through. In fact, that is the first thing I ask them to do when they signup. That keeps the number of support tickets m…

No judgement here, I am right there with you. I live on the east coast and have a wife, 3 kids and all the expenses that go with the family too. So I get it. And you should really be thrilled you have done so well, that is totally awesome. Video's are awesome and seem to really help. Glad they are already working well for you. To your other point, I have trained my wife to handle our non-automated billed clients and…

wow. I heavily use Woocommerce in our app because we charget subscription and then our clients sell things as well. And yes, it is so powerful and just works. Unfortunately, I have overall issues with Wordpress to be utilized as a scalable SAAS product. But no denying the power of these plugins.

Re: Ask HN: Bootstrapped business is good but slow growth. Should I raise money?

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I understand. I guess it depends on the level you are hiring at. If you need someone who has specific knowledge then they are probably too expensive, but if you can train someone, then you can probably hire someone with very limited experience and willing to grow with a company. Good luck on your venture. Exciting times ahead for you and it's inspirational for the rest of us. Feel free to shoot me an email if you'd l…

Would love to chat. Coffee or lunch on me too since you are in NYC :). How do I get in touch ? I don't see your contact info in your profile.

Hmm. I thought it would show my email in my profile. You can email me at partisanyc at gmail.

Re: Ask HN: Bootstrapped business is good but slow growth. Should I raise money?

#39

I'm looking to relocate to NYC/DC and I have a passive income stream that supports me. I've been looking for jobs that would utilize my journalism/sales experience, but with a focus on technology. Care to chat?

Hi sure. how can I get in touch with you ?

You can reach me with an email to this address: mr.sean.cox@gmail.com

Re: Ask HN: Bootstrapped business is good but slow growth. Should I raise money?

#40
If it were me I would rather be bootstrapped but take a little longer to get there. To me there's no point in swapping a boss for an investor.

I see you mentioned that you already have videos & training materials for users. I would start to document how you do the onboarding in person so you can teach it to someone else. Don't underestimate the value of high-touch sales. It shows that it's working for you.

With you currently having a job, you could invest your current income into rebuilding a new (non-WordPress) version. If your current version is on WP - do you really need a team to create your new version - or just someone contracted for a few months & then on retainer.

Once the new version is up to the same feature set as the current version - migrate users over. Then pour your income into streamlining your business, hiring employees etc.

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