A bit of background on his resignation: http://err.no/personal/blog/tech/Debian/2014-11-16-23-55_res...
Resignation from the pkg-systemd maintainer team
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Re: Resignation from the pkg-systemd maintainer team
#92Earlier quoted context omitted.
The problem is that the decent people who dislike systemd don't deserve that criticism, and the deranged people who issue death threats will ignore it.
Same issue as #GamerGate in that game "journalism" really is completely broken but now you can't talk about that without being lumped in with a bunch of vocal minority crazed misogynists.
Oh ffs don't bring that up here of all places.
You're just going to end up (as tptacek has already done) with people talking past each other about different definitions of what GG is, what it isn't, what gaming is, what gaming isn't, whether or not rape and death threats are inherently sexist or threatening, and so on and so forth.
Nice derail.
Re: Resignation from the pkg-systemd maintainer team
#93Earlier quoted context omitted.
I get your point, yet I also see why that would be impossible from the GamerGate point of view considering how the media for the most part covered GamerGate in a biased one-sided way. Don't get me wrong, I don't support GamerGate (or the other side) at all. Yet, all gamers aren't women-hating misogynists, despite the reporting.
See, you stuck up for "GamerGate", and now I think you're one of those people who believe that Zoe Quinn's private life is everyone's business because "ethics in journalism".
And is that my fault or is it the fault of the coverage of GamerGate?
Please note that I don't side with either of the sides, both sides are acting stupidly and I would rather spend time browsing TMZ than to engage in the stupid flamewar.
Re: Resignation from the pkg-systemd maintainer team
#94Earlier quoted context omitted.
> I have no idea why Linux attracts so much drama and carnage amongst its constituents, but it does. It starts right from the top, just like the similar situation in the Rails community. When your founder and leader behaves a certain way, it gives everyone in the community license to act like that. Edit: I seem to have touched a nerve here. My apology to anyone my comment offended. Nonetheless, I stand by the idea th…
At best, people are imitating what they think Linus is doing. But most people miss out on just how rare Linus's rants are, how deserving his targets are when he does let loose and how much they should've known better, and most people aren't as authoritative as Linus.
> ...how deserving his targets are when he does let loose...
I think I see the problem here.
I don't follow the Linux community that deeply but I've read one of his rants which was belittling and insulting to a volunteer maintainer and the context behind it didn't justify the abuse in my opinion. If you don't appreciate their code, get rid of them. They're probably not trying to intentionally screw up. And if they are, tell them it's not working out and stop working with them.
P.S. Would be interesting if "Gaming is misogynistic" folks decide to focus on the Linux community. I can almost see the headlines: "Linux users are dead!"
Re: Resignation from the pkg-systemd maintainer team
#95Earlier quoted context omitted.
I get your point, yet I also see why that would be impossible from the GamerGate point of view considering how the media for the most part covered GamerGate in a biased one-sided way. Don't get me wrong, I don't support GamerGate (or the other side) at all. Yet, all gamers aren't women-hating misogynists, despite the reporting.
See, you stuck up for "GamerGate", and now I think you're one of those people who believe that Zoe Quinn's private life is everyone's business because "ethics in journalism".
See, you paint people with a broad brush, and now I think you're one of those people who don't bother thinking before they post in a mean way because "fuck you got mine" and "karma to burn".
Re: Resignation from the pkg-systemd maintainer team
#96Earlier quoted context omitted.
The problem is that the decent people who dislike systemd don't deserve that criticism, and the deranged people who issue death threats will ignore it.
Same issue as #GamerGate in that game "journalism" really is completely broken but now you can't talk about that without being lumped in with a bunch of vocal minority crazed misogynists.
Or #shirtgate when idiot "journalist" (The Atlantic's Rose Eveleth) went ballistic over Philae ESA Project Scientist Matt Taylor's shirt.
Matt had a shirt on with women similar to WWII bomber girls, fully clothed in 1940s/1950s style corsets or as Rose Eveleth and her foaming at the mouth outraged Twitter followers say they are naked women.
Some people get outraged at nothing these days.
Re: Resignation from the pkg-systemd maintainer team
#97Earlier quoted context omitted.
Same issue as #GamerGate in that game "journalism" really is completely broken but now you can't talk about that without being lumped in with a bunch of vocal minority crazed misogynists.
Or #shirtgate when idiot "journalist" (The Atlantic's Rose Eveleth) went ballistic over Philae ESA Project Scientist Matt Taylor's shirt. Matt had a shirt on with women similar to WWII bomber girls, fully clothed in 1940s/1950s style corsets or as Rose Eveleth and her foaming at the mouth outraged Twitter followers say they are naked women. Some people get outraged at nothing these days.
I notice that you didn't even mention the many men who also complained about that shirt, to say nothing about attacking their professional competency.
Perhaps you should ask yourself why that is?
Re: Resignation from the pkg-systemd maintainer team
#98Unfortunately, it's being accepted that harassment is a valid form of protest. Example: Mozilla CEO and OkCupid.
Re: Resignation from the pkg-systemd maintainer team
#99It seems like this was only the first domino to fall. Russ Allbery is resigning from the Technical Committee: https://lists.debian.org/debian-ctte/2014/11/msg00071.html Russ was, to my mind, a voice of reason through this entire process. Losing him is a bad, bad sign.
That's three Debian maintainers in a single week. Wow.
Re: Resignation from the pkg-systemd maintainer team
#100Earlier quoted context omitted.
Or #shirtgate when idiot "journalist" (The Atlantic's Rose Eveleth) went ballistic over Philae ESA Project Scientist Matt Taylor's shirt. Matt had a shirt on with women similar to WWII bomber girls, fully clothed in 1940s/1950s style corsets or as Rose Eveleth and her foaming at the mouth outraged Twitter followers say they are naked women. Some people get outraged at nothing these days.
I notice that you didn't even mention the many men who also complained about that shirt, to say nothing about attacking their professional competency. Perhaps you should ask yourself why that is?
A lot of people conveniently ignore that the shirt was actually made by a female friend of his named Elly Prizeman. The situation all of a sudden becomes completely different when you factor in that fact.
Of course, it's easier to just heap in outrage.