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Re: What an Uncensored Letter to M.L.K. Reveals

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Post by likeagrownup » Sun, Nov 16, 2014, 11:45 PM UTC

etherael wrote: post #171

waterlesscloud wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As compared to exactly which other government? Anywhere?

Maybe the problem is not just the United States government, but the very idea of government and the modern nation state as it stands ever since it came into existence after the peace of westphalia?

Doen't Libertarian dogma demand that institutions can't win for extended periods of time unless they're the best solution?

What's changed that made government ideal for hundreds of years and suddenly isn't ideal now that your upper-middle-class sheltered white privilege has decided that your life would be slightly easier if you paid less tax?

Re: What an Uncensored Letter to M.L.K. Reveals

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Post by etherael » Mon, Nov 17, 2014, 12:51 AM UTC

likeagrownup wrote: post #211

etherael wrote: post #171

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Maybe the problem is not just the United States government, but the very idea of government and the modern nation state as it stands ever since it came into existence after the peace of westphalia?

Doen't Libertarian dogma demand that institutions can't win for extended periods of time unless they're the best solution? What's changed that made government ideal for hundreds of years and suddenly isn't ideal now that your upper-middle-class sheltered white privilege has decided that your life would be slightly easier if you paid less tax?

No, and nothing respectively.

But I can see how this excellent rebuke actually fully addresses all possible claims that the flaws seen in modern nation states are intrinsic to the structure thereof rather than merely globally applicable aberrations caused by some other confounding factor, so well done with that. You really knocked it out of the park.

Re: What an Uncensored Letter to M.L.K. Reveals

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Post by likeagrownup » Mon, Nov 17, 2014, 1:40 AM UTC

etherael wrote: post #212

likeagrownup wrote: post #211

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Doen't Libertarian dogma demand that institutions can't win for extended periods of time unless they're the best solution? What's changed that made government ideal for hundreds of years and suddenly isn't ideal now that your upper-middle-class sheltered white privilege has decided that your life would be slightly easier if you paid less tax?

No, and nothing respectively. But I can see how this excellent rebuke actually fully addresses all possible claims that the flaws seen in modern nation states are intrinsic to the structure thereof rather than merely globally applicable aberrations caused by some other confounding factor, so well done with that. You really knocked it out of the park.

You probably thought you were cover, but if you were at all honest or smart you'd know that I wasn't trying to rebuke all claims of flaws. Hell, I didn't try to rebuke any such flaws. I didn't even deny them.

I was just pointing out that in the marketplace of societal organizational schemes, the nation-state has been winning for a long time now. You have your excuses as to why, but many competitors have been tried, and they're nearly all total failures.

Also, only a truly nutty religious zealot would claim that any system is flawless. That's the sort of shit that nut jobs like you say about your religion. It's not the sort of argument that any sane person makes about anything. The rest of us live in a world where we don't have all the answers; you're the only one in this conversation who thinks he knows absolutely everything, and who thinks he has the right to demand that I can't live in the society I prefer.

Thank you for being a truly cartoonish individual. You never stop making me laugh, you hilarious little asshole.

edit: also, LOL at how fast you responded. you really, really need a life.

edit2: seriously. you're fucking HILARIOUS. such a joke.

Re: What an Uncensored Letter to M.L.K. Reveals

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Post by etherael » Mon, Nov 17, 2014, 2:19 AM UTC

likeagrownup wrote: post #213

etherael wrote: post #212

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No, and nothing respectively. But I can see how this excellent rebuke actually fully addresses all possible claims that the flaws seen in modern nation states are intrinsic to the structure thereof rather than merely globally applicable aberrations caused by some other confounding factor, so well done with that. You really knocked it out of the park.

You probably thought you were cover, but if you were at all honest or smart you'd know that I wasn't trying to rebuke all claims of flaws. Hell, I didn't try to rebuke any such flaws. I didn't even deny them. I was just pointing out that in the marketplace of societal organizational schemes, the nation-state has been winning for a long time now. You have your excuses as to why, but many competitors have been tried, a…

> you'd know that I wasn't trying to rebuke all claims of flaws. Hell, I didn't try to rebuke any such flaws. I didn't even deny them.

You caught that did you? I'm very impressed.

Re: What an Uncensored Letter to M.L.K. Reveals

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Post by likeagrownup » Sat, Nov 22, 2014, 5:10 AM UTC

etherael wrote: post #214

likeagrownup wrote: post #213

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You probably thought you were cover, but if you were at all honest or smart you'd know that I wasn't trying to rebuke all claims of flaws. Hell, I didn't try to rebuke any such flaws. I didn't even deny them. I was just pointing out that in the marketplace of societal organizational schemes, the nation-state has been winning for a long time now. You have your excuses as to why, but many competitors have been tried, a…

> you'd know that I wasn't trying to rebuke all claims of flaws. Hell, I didn't try to rebuke any such flaws. I didn't even deny them. You caught that did you? I'm very impressed.

Yes. It's not hard to catch onto the fact that you're an intellectually dishonest, morally bankrupt asshole who tries to "win" conversations rather than engage in honest discourse.

I'm surprised that you finally admitted what a completely worthless and purposefully valueless asshole you are.