Resignation from the pkg-systemd maintainer team
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Resignation from the pkg-systemd maintainer team
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Re: Resignation from the pkg-systemd maintainer team
#2Has anyone got some background information on this?
Re: Resignation from the pkg-systemd maintainer team
#3There is some discussion of this on Slashdot [1], with responses by Tollef Fog Heen.
[1] http://linux.slashdot.org/story/14/11/16/2142244/longtime-de...
Re: Resignation from the pkg-systemd maintainer team
#4Has anyone got some background information on this?
Systemd has always been very controversial.
Re: Resignation from the pkg-systemd maintainer team
#5So far, the last two TC decisions have been two-for-two in driving developers away; the previous one was the last straw that caused Joey Hess to leave.
Re: Resignation from the pkg-systemd maintainer team
#6Its hard without knowing the full context. But if it is as it appears, that some people from the debian community have been making attacks on a volunteer for doing their job, then it is absolutely disgusting behaviour. Those making such attacks would be best to leave debian and perhaps the internet.
Re: Resignation from the pkg-systemd maintainer team
#7It's time for this crap to stop.
systemd haters have gone Too Far.
Get over it. It's childish and pathetic now. Death threats to the creator. Personal attacks to volunteers. You have carried a debate into the extreme to where it is no longer noble.
Just leave. Just stop. You are not welcome anymore in the community.
Re: Resignation from the pkg-systemd maintainer team
#8Has anyone got some background information on this?
The announcement of the latest Technical Committee decision: https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2014/11/msg00...
Some background: https://lists.debian.org/debian-ctte/2014/11/msg00069.html
[Disclaimer: I helped with the evaluation and drafting of this particular TC decision, to try to mitigate any potential fallout, and make sure that this particular decision didn't cause any harm; in particular, I wrote clause 3 and 4 of the decision, and suggested what turned into clause 6. However, I think Anthony Towns has it right: "The tech ctte could've addressed this issue by providing policy guidance or by just offering advice, and assuming that the systemd maintainers would act on the advice or policy in good faith. Choosing to override the systemd maintainers was far from the most friendly available option."]
This mail is useful as well: https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2014/11/msg00754.html
"This is what many still (retorically) wonder about: we the systemd maintainers did not reject that change, so it is not clear (or, it is) why the TC had to be involved."
It isn't about this one decision, either; as with the previous TC decision, this is more the last straw. Maintaining systemd is a difficult enough task without heaps of people piling on.
Re: Resignation from the pkg-systemd maintainer team
#9Has anyone got some background information on this?
Systemd has always been very controversial.
From tfheen on the Slashdot thread:
"I don't agree with them (at least not fully), but my resignation from the maintainer team is not about people being skeptical, it's about personal attacks, it's about death wishes from project members and it's about people escalating conflicts instead of trying to resolve them."
Seriously, people sending _death wishes_ to developer or maintainers of software who's decisions/directions they disagree with? They need to be publicly named so I can easily find that out when I Google them when their CV hits my desk. That's _so_ not OK. I would refuse to have those people on any team of mine - no matter how excellent your grades, no matter how lofty your achievements, your CV just gets thrown out, you won't even get a call back explaining why.
Re: Resignation from the pkg-systemd maintainer team
#10Online harassment is harsh to handle. Death threats, stalking, threat of physical violence, and I can only imagine the look if a male developer went to the police and said that it is all because software he is developing on his spare time and giving out for free.