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Is Faster-Than-Light Travel or Communication Possible? (1997)

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Re: Is Faster-Than-Light Travel or Communication Possible? (1997)

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Out of interest, why ice and not (say) steel?

Water is really good at blocking proton radiation (those stray hydrogen atoms in the interstellar medium become really dangerous once you go fast enough). Plus you can drink it. You also don't want to stop particle radiation too quickly, or you get x-ray Bremsstrahlung. So something a little less dense than steel works better in practice.

But it's full of dust. Yuck.

Re: Is Faster-Than-Light Travel or Communication Possible? (1997)

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Out of interest, why ice and not (say) steel?

Water is really good at blocking proton radiation (those stray hydrogen atoms in the interstellar medium become really dangerous once you go fast enough). Plus you can drink it. You also don't want to stop particle radiation too quickly, or you get x-ray Bremsstrahlung. So something a little less dense than steel works better in practice.

... yeah, and water your greenhouses (you're going to be in space a very long time), split it to generate O2 for breathing, etc. It's also probably a lot easier to find water to replenish your shield along the way, or at your destination, than steel or lead.

Re: Is Faster-Than-Light Travel or Communication Possible? (1997)

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Point 19 seems to conflate quantum fields with imaginary mass and superluminal particles. As far as I know, tachyonic quantum fields and tachyonic 'particles' are unrelated except for an unfortunate naming convention (historically, tachyonic fields were thought to result in tachyonic particles; the name was kept around even after the mistake had been realized).

Note that tachyonic particles are not very particle-like at all, so I prefer the name 'tachyonic interaction':

Tachyons cannot be properly localized, there's a critical frame where they have no energy, their 'life-time' is space-like, both endpoints of the interaction may have the same (intrinsic) type (absorption-absorption, emission-emission), to name just some of the peculiar properties.

Recami argues (imo convincingly) that you cannot use such tachyons to violate causality.

Point 13 is also somewhat questionable, but this is more of a matter of semantics. While each of the galaxies are at rest (or in free fall, if you prefer), they are not at rest relative to one another according to parallel transport along the light ray (otherwise, there would be no red-shift). This is imo the correct way to handle relative velocities in a general-relativistic setting; the fact that their comoving distance is constant doesn't mean they are at rest in any physically meaningful way, but one can at least argue this point both ways.

Re: Is Faster-Than-Light Travel or Communication Possible? (1997)

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

You want a big block of ice in front of your ship.

Out of interest, why ice and not (say) steel?

One thing which might be of (tangential) interest here is the novel The Songs of Distant Earth, by Arthur C. Clarke, where the replenishment of this sort of ice buffer plays a prominent role in the plot.

Re: Is Faster-Than-Light Travel or Communication Possible? (1997)

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One way would be to fire an entangled photon down both ends of fibre optic cable in the middle. On the sending end you could observe/ ignore it, and on reviving end you'd observe it. We'd have to develop cables capable of preserving the entangled state of light particles, and a beam splitter that's more reliable. You could improve the bandwidth considerably by measuring the polarisation of the particle, even more if…

You couldn't use this for communication as there is no way to "set" the spin of an entangled photon. You'd effectively have two receivers for the same random signal but no way to actually influence the signal.

I think there was a HN link a while ago about ideas to use this as a perfectly secure key exchange mechanism for crypto. I don't know how serious this idea is, though.

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One way would be to fire an entangled photon down both ends of fibre optic cable in the middle. On the sending end you could observe/ ignore it, and on reviving end you'd observe it. We'd have to develop cables capable of preserving the entangled state of light particles, and a beam splitter that's more reliable. You could improve the bandwidth considerably by measuring the polarisation of the particle, even more if…

Pretty harsh to downvote this person for writing out an idea - ok, if you know the physics you might dismiss this, but dismiss with words not votes!

This is a very common idea. It is so common, in fact, that the only real way to not know why it is wrong is if you've never heard of entanglement or relativity before.

I personally find it a bit insulting to propose something like this, as it assumes all those physicists working on quantum physics and relativity over the last hundred years were too dumb to think of this. Yet they all go around saying FTL communication is impossible? To suggest such a thing, you'd have to think they were all very stupid or you'd have to not be thinking at all.

Re: Is Faster-Than-Light Travel or Communication Possible? (1997)

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A negative to this is a proposed solution to Fermi's Paradox

Our galaxy is only 100K lightyears across. A civilization that attained only 10% lightspeed could populate the entire galaxy in a million years.

That's still ~500x faster than any man-made object has ever moved.

Re: Is Faster-Than-Light Travel or Communication Possible? (1997)

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One way would be to fire an entangled photon down both ends of fibre optic cable in the middle. On the sending end you could observe/ ignore it, and on reviving end you'd observe it. We'd have to develop cables capable of preserving the entangled state of light particles, and a beam splitter that's more reliable. You could improve the bandwidth considerably by measuring the polarisation of the particle, even more if…

If this worked you could cut down the travel time by doing this multiple times with the same distance between each node.

However because when you observe the photon it collapses randomly and there is no way to tell if the photon has collapsed before you observed it or for the first time as you are observing it you don't actually have any information on if the other side observed it or not.

Re: Is Faster-Than-Light Travel or Communication Possible? (1997)

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One way would be to fire an entangled photon down both ends of fibre optic cable in the middle. On the sending end you could observe/ ignore it, and on reviving end you'd observe it. We'd have to develop cables capable of preserving the entangled state of light particles, and a beam splitter that's more reliable. You could improve the bandwidth considerably by measuring the polarisation of the particle, even more if…

If this worked you could cut down the travel time by doing this multiple times with the same distance between each node.

However because when you observe the photon it collapses randomly and there is no way to tell if the photon has collapsed before you observed it or for the first time as you are observing it you don't actually have any information on if the other side observed it or not.

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