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Re: Encrypt your e-mail with PGP and random profanity

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Post by dingaling »

divegeek wrote: post #58
joering2 wrote: post #23

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Alternatively setup your own free mailserver. Its always been a puzzle to me why so many people just don't own their own mailserver, just like you "own" your mail box at your property. You can use spamassasin which is as good as they come. Problem solved.

BTDT and it was a huge relief when I moved my domain to Google Apps and started using Gmail. Unless it's gotten hugely more effective than it was a few years ago, Spamassassin is nowhere near as good as Gmail at recognizing spam, and spamfighting was the biggest of many chores involved in running my own server. I was constantly having to tweak and refine things to keep my spam filtering effective. I don't miss runnin…

As a counterpoint my home mail server has no spam filtering at all, and I receive at most 10 items of spam per year.

Instead I spend time tweaking fun stuff on my mail server, like setting-up X.509 user certificate-based authentication instead of IDs and passwords. And transparent on-server S/MIME [ de|en ]cryption using Anubis. Stuff that the big mass-market providers won't implement.

Re: Encrypt your e-mail with PGP and random profanity

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Post by dingaling »

jordigh wrote: post #48
davidgerard wrote: post #44

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For me, it's because GMail is hands-down the best email client I have EVER used. For comparison, I have used at length on a daily basis Pine, Elm, Agent, Mutt, Thunderbird, Outlook, Outlook Express, Lotus Notes and GMail. GMail is so stupidly better I can hardly believe nobody's done a decent fat-client imitation.

You mean something like mailpile? https://www.mailpile.is/

> You mean something like mailpile?

Looks good as a client but they have some issues with / absence of STARTTLS support ( for both IMAP and SMTP ) at the beta stage, so I would advise people against using it outside a controlled or test environment right now

https://github.com/pagekite/Mailpile/issues/1092 https://github.com/pagekite/Mailpile/issues/868

And here are the beta notes:

https://github.com/pagekite/Mailpile/wiki/Release-Notes-2014...

"Does not yet recognize whether messages are "new" or already read"

So not quite ready as a drop-in replacement.

Re: Encrypt your e-mail with PGP and random profanity

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Post by davidgerard »

taeric wrote: post #54
davidgerard wrote: post #44

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For me, it's because GMail is hands-down the best email client I have EVER used. For comparison, I have used at length on a daily basis Pine, Elm, Agent, Mutt, Thunderbird, Outlook, Outlook Express, Lotus Notes and GMail. GMail is so stupidly better I can hardly believe nobody's done a decent fat-client imitation.

Oddly, I used to feel the same. I recall vaguely liking Mutt back in the day, but I really liked gmail. Especially with the keyboard shortcuts enabled (and without... I actually hate it). Not that surprisingly, the lure of emacs really hit me and I find gnus to be a better interface now. Much better.

The striking difference: with GMail I could actually keep up with my mailing lists.

Re: Encrypt your e-mail with PGP and random profanity

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Post by taeric »

davidgerard wrote: post #64
taeric wrote: post #54

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Oddly, I used to feel the same. I recall vaguely liking Mutt back in the day, but I really liked gmail. Especially with the keyboard shortcuts enabled (and without... I actually hate it). Not that surprisingly, the lure of emacs really hit me and I find gnus to be a better interface now. Much better.

The striking difference: with GMail I could actually keep up with my mailing lists.

Oddly, I feel that gmail actually makes this worse. Specifically, mailing lists are one place where I actively like threaded messages.

Re: Encrypt your e-mail with PGP and random profanity

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Post by davidgerard »

taeric wrote: post #65
davidgerard wrote: post #64

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The striking difference: with GMail I could actually keep up with my mailing lists.

Oddly, I feel that gmail actually makes this worse. Specifically, mailing lists are one place where I actively like threaded messages.

Oh, there's definitely a heavy dose YMMV :-)

Re: Encrypt your e-mail with PGP and random profanity

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Post by gavkearney »

A nice simple alternative to the pain of setting up and running your own mail server (and yes, this is painful to monitor, patch, maintain, protect) is to use a simple email encryption product like Jumble email encryption (https://jumble.io) which integrates on top of the Gmail UI providing end to end encryption

Re: Encrypt your e-mail with PGP and random profanity

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Post by Alupis »

egb wrote: post #53
Alupis wrote: post #42

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Zimbra is pretty much what you are after it sounds like. Just set it up once, and it just works. Just keep the OS updated and install any updates Zimbra releases. There is some manual work to get it going up front, but it's not hard. The only way you can guarantee your email is kept private and not shared to any gov't agency or anything is to run it yourself. Then at least they have to serve you directly to get your…

What kind of a box do you really need for that, though? The requirements seem to say 4G of RAM, which seems to demand a big VPS or a dedicated box... (would be $40/month for a 4G RAM VPS at digital ocean or Linode)

admittedly it's intended as corporate email server - ie. MS Exchange replacement. You can run it with less ram, things will just be slower, however if you only have a few accounts, it may not be a big deal. I like it because they package all the components you need: postfix, mariadb, web ui frontend, spammassasian, etc all together and you don't have to do any configurations other than the initial setup script it comes with.
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