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How I Built a Barbecue Restaurant in Brooklyn: The Toll of Owning Your Business

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I'm from the south and method #1 is done by almost every non-chain BBQ restaurant. Method #2 is done by almost every chain BBQ restaurant. Method #1 BY FAR produces the most fanfare. Notable #1 is LA-Barbeque, and Franklin BBQ in Austin and the wait is typically 2-5 hours and all of the BBQ is sold out before lunch.

I was really blown away to discover just how regional barbecue is - from a book by an economist of all things: http://www.amazon.com/Economist-Gets-Lunch-Everyday-Foodies-... Where I'm from in Oregon, there are a few places, but they're few and far between, and I doubt the quality measures up to areas where there is more knowledge and competition between establishments. Indeed, I have to admit to having had absolutel…

Barbecue's a real microcosm in the food world. I'm a pretty learned foodie, but I had no idea just how widely barbecue techniques were spread around the world until I started looking into it a few years ago.

I think the US can legitimately claim to be the barbecue kings of the world, but there are some really interesting barbecue traditions elsewhere, from Japan to Brazil. (I've since become somewhat addicted to Brasilian barbecue, which fits very nicely with a Paleo diet.)

I, meanwhile, come from the UK. We love our barbecue. We're also, natively - and weirdly for a food-loving nation - absolutely terrible at it.

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What do you make? Where can I get it?

I intentionally omitted that information. I wasn't commenting on the article to promote my business, so I left out the specifics of what I do in favor of focusing on the article and the industry. But I don't see much harm in adding that I make Bavarian soft pretzels and a couple of other soft-pretzel products. I had the good fortune to train under a German chef whose pretzel recipe is what I use. From that, I'll note…

What you are saying is similar to philosophy of Jiro from "Jiro dreams of Sushi". If you haven't seen it then you should. He also focuses on very specific type of food, and after some tests with trying to introduce more products he decided its not worth it. Amazing documentary.

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Drove back from Brooklyn last night after celebrating my friend's 40th at Arrogant Swine, and then I wake up to see this on hacker news. Crazy.

This restuarant appears out of nowhere in Bushwick/warehouse district. Being a North Carolina native I was a huge skeptic walking in. Mr. Ho has an NC (and SC) flag on the wall, usually not a symbol of pride outside the state (even for me), but in the case of BBQ it's respectable and makes a statement to anyone who know's anything about pulled-pork BBQ.

If you're ever in Brooklyn, definitely check it out. There's something to be said about eating, drinking, and enjoying the vision of an entrepreneur. Impossible to do with your stereotypcial start-up.

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Drove back from Brooklyn last night after celebrating my friend's 40th at Arrogant Swine, and then I wake up to see this on hacker news. Crazy. This restuarant appears out of nowhere in Bushwick/warehouse district. Being a North Carolina native I was a huge skeptic walking in. Mr. Ho has an NC (and SC) flag on the wall, usually not a symbol of pride outside the state (even for me), but in the case of BBQ it's respect…

I do miss the NC BBQ. I used to eat at Cooper's in downtown Raleigh -- which is in the process of moving to a new location I hear. A developer bought the block and is putting up a tall building -- no room for a business started in the 1930s there.

The best hushpuppies I ever had though, were at Bubba's in Charlotte. Ralph would make his dough in batches, and if you caught it at the end of the batch, the onions had had time to steep in the batter, and they were so good.

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A quote from a David Sedaris article [1] sums it up nicely through a conversation he had with an entrepreneur who was intending to retire at 55. > "One burner represents your family, one is your friends, the third is your health, and the fourth is your work." The gist, she said, was that in order to be successful you have to cut off one of your burners. And in order to be really successful you have to cut off two. [1…

This is a really interesting idea. I wonder if there's anyone who's been extremely successful in their work who would object to it.

My instinct is that if you're smart about your time investments, you can get pretty far on most those burners without out a lot of time invested.

For example, for me, health is a non-negotiable. But I can maintain it with only 4-5 hours a week of investment vs. 0 hours if I abandon it. I just have 3 rules: get enough sleep, eat only healthy things, exercise at least once a week.

If you are running your own company and you can't sleep enough, I think you are either not prioritizing it or you're doing something wrong. You're unsustainably stressed or not managing your company's execution well enough. Not enough sleep affects your performance and ability to think as much as your health, so I really don't see any benefit to being chronically sleep deprived.

Eating healthy doesn't take much more time than eating unhealthy. It means buying groceries, and knowing what's open around you that's cheap and healthy (Most Chinese take-out vegetable stir fry is a good option). The groceries come from Amazon Fresh, and mean 2-3 hours more per week cooking than you would if you got fast food.

And exercise takes no more than 2 hours a week. The goal here is not to be athletic, it's just to be healthy.

I think that whatever your main burner is, you can usually maintain the other burners adequately with 4-5 hours per week, and no more unless something unusual is going on.

The key word here is adequate - it's not the main dimension of your success, and you may just be ok at it. But I don't think you need to fail at it in order to succeed at the thing you're focusing on.

And if you can hit adequacy, you still have more than enough time for your main burner. If other burners combined take 15 hours per week, you very likely still have at least 80 hours a week left for your main focus.

The specific numbers I hypothesize here applies only if you don't have kids, which I imagine skews your family number significantly.

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All of the good ones in Austin follow #1.

I'm a fan of Blacks, moreso than Franklins. Which ones do you recommend?

Blacks is very good. I also like Opie's in Spicewood (right on the highway). Laird's is good in Llano.

Still haven't been able to get to Franklins - I can't justify taking most of a day off work to go stand in line.

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It kills me that restaurants add all the value to the area but lose almost all of it to rent. I wish I could design a town or something. Big tax break to landlords who house good restaurante long-term or or otherwise allow the restaurant to be profitable. Or maybe the town owns the town center or something.

Or the restaurant owns the building. Yeah, maybe not practical in SF, but elsewhere it works well.

Or long-term lease.

Typically NY situation is, up-and-coming restaurateur opens in a crappy underutilized space, takes a long-term e.g. 7-year lease. Lease is up, every established restaurateur and dilettante thinks they can make a fortune there, rent rises to where nobody can make much of a buck, often new restaurant closes shortly after.

I don't know why there are so many freaking banks, New Yorkers refuse to walk and are worth money to banks. But a restaurant is a huge pain in the ass to a landlord compared to a bank.

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Yeah. I think the issue is that the landlord is incentivized to extract maximum cash for the spot, which may be better for some other kind of venture (eg bank branch or whatever) which makes the restaurant's existence close to untenable in some locations. Public good or local quality or whatever does not factor in in any way. There are probably better ways to do this than what I suggested.

Even if the landlords charged no rent, I would not expect to see profits increase significantly, rather I would expect prices to lower (and additional restaurants to open). Of course, if only a small(ish) number of restaurants get free rent, their profits would go up.

Fair enough. Consider my problem statement (rent extraction) rather than my poor solutions.

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Or the restaurant owns the building. Yeah, maybe not practical in SF, but elsewhere it works well.

Or long-term lease. Typically NY situation is, up-and-coming restaurateur opens in a crappy underutilized space, takes a long-term e.g. 7-year lease. Lease is up, every established restaurateur and dilettante thinks they can make a fortune there, rent rises to where nobody can make much of a buck, often new restaurant closes shortly after. I don't know why there are so many freaking banks, New Yorkers refuse to walk…

Zone banks to second floors (external stairway?)

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Or the restaurant owns the building. Yeah, maybe not practical in SF, but elsewhere it works well.

Or long-term lease. Typically NY situation is, up-and-coming restaurateur opens in a crappy underutilized space, takes a long-term e.g. 7-year lease. Lease is up, every established restaurateur and dilettante thinks they can make a fortune there, rent rises to where nobody can make much of a buck, often new restaurant closes shortly after. I don't know why there are so many freaking banks, New Yorkers refuse to walk…

I wonder what the effects would be of cities requiring a long term lease to get a restaurant permit? Would landlords just not go along and we'd see fewer restaurants? Maybe, but it could be an interesting experiment to find out.
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