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Re: Caltech professor claims Israeli spy infiltrated JPL

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ChrisGaudreau wrote: post #38
pavelrub wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Please tell us exactly "how much" does Israel spy on America relative to other countries, based on what information, why is this "amazing", and provide some proof that "if you dare to say it publicly then your reputation and career are destroyed". It's amazing how HNs usual standards of logical discourse seem to disappear once the argument becomes political.

It's amazing how people who should know better demand proof of something obvious that's been written about so many times, just like how Fox News demands proof that Obama isn't secretly a Muslim. Or how people demand proof that goto is a Bad Thing™.

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Re: Caltech professor claims Israeli spy infiltrated JPL

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the_rosentotter wrote: post #39
pavelrub wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't see anything at all in your comment that doesn't contribute to the discussion. The fact that you are downvoted on HN for just for stating an uncommon opinion is disgusting and extremely disappointing.

I think people are very tired of the extremely preferential treatment Israel is getting in general. Can I say that without offending anybody?

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Re: Caltech professor claims Israeli spy infiltrated JPL

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DanBC wrote: post #40
pavelrub wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't see anything at all in your comment that doesn't contribute to the discussion. The fact that you are downvoted on HN for just for stating an uncommon opinion is disgusting and extremely disappointing.

> conspiracy among 'Israeli supporters' (we all know what you mean bro!) This line clearly links "anti Israeli" with "anti Semite". It's a vile tactic and does not belong on HN.

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Re: Caltech professor claims Israeli spy infiltrated JPL

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Post by WorldWideWayne »

gaoshan wrote: post #18

My sister works for one of the intelligence agencies and says that the two biggest threats, from an intel perspective, are China and Israel.

You should ask her what she thinks about the possibility that China is an asset controlled by a higher power, considering the fact that Mao Zedong was a Yale man and that ever since he was installed, every US ambassador to China has been a Skull and Bones member - https://www.google.com/search?q=mao+zedong+yale+school+of+di...

Re: Caltech professor claims Israeli spy infiltrated JPL

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WorldWideWayne wrote: post #44
gaoshan wrote: post #18

My sister works for one of the intelligence agencies and says that the two biggest threats, from an intel perspective, are China and Israel.

You should ask her what she thinks about the possibility that China is an asset controlled by a higher power, considering the fact that Mao Zedong was a Yale man and that ever since he was installed, every US ambassador to China has been a Skull and Bones member - https://www.google.com/search?q=mao+zedong+yale+school+of+di...

No point in asking her that as she is mentally stable.

Re: Caltech professor claims Israeli spy infiltrated JPL

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Post by pavelrub »

ChrisGaudreau wrote: post #38
pavelrub wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Please tell us exactly "how much" does Israel spy on America relative to other countries, based on what information, why is this "amazing", and provide some proof that "if you dare to say it publicly then your reputation and career are destroyed". It's amazing how HNs usual standards of logical discourse seem to disappear once the argument becomes political.

It's amazing how people who should know better demand proof of something obvious that's been written about so many times, just like how Fox News demands proof that Obama isn't secretly a Muslim. Or how people demand proof that goto is a Bad Thing™.

Well in that case you shouldn't have any trouble providing written evidence of people who have accused Israel of spying on the US, and as a result had their reputation and careers destroyed, and where labeled as "antisemitic terrorist sympathizers" or as terrorists.

It is you who have claimed that "nobody knows about it", and therefore it's neither obvious nor extensively written about, and it is you who holds the burden of proof.

Re: Caltech professor claims Israeli spy infiltrated JPL

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Post by pavelrub »

DanBC wrote: post #40
pavelrub wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't see anything at all in your comment that doesn't contribute to the discussion. The fact that you are downvoted on HN for just for stating an uncommon opinion is disgusting and extremely disappointing.

> conspiracy among 'Israeli supporters' (we all know what you mean bro!) This line clearly links "anti Israeli" with "anti Semite". It's a vile tactic and does not belong on HN.

Right. So that's why he was downvoted. And that's why every pro-Israeli comment in this discussion is being downvoted.

Re: Caltech professor claims Israeli spy infiltrated JPL

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Post by pavelrub »

the_rosentotter wrote: post #39
pavelrub wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't see anything at all in your comment that doesn't contribute to the discussion. The fact that you are downvoted on HN for just for stating an uncommon opinion is disgusting and extremely disappointing.

I think people are very tired of the extremely preferential treatment Israel is getting in general. Can I say that without offending anybody?

Well in that case I guess it's ok to downvote all those "tiring" comments.

Re: Caltech professor claims Israeli spy infiltrated JPL

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Post by DanBC »

pavelrub wrote: post #47
DanBC wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> conspiracy among 'Israeli supporters' (we all know what you mean bro!) This line clearly links "anti Israeli" with "anti Semite". It's a vile tactic and does not belong on HN.

Right. So that's why he was downvoted. And that's why every pro-Israeli comment in this discussion is being downvoted.

The current top post in this thread makes some claims that are disputed. It is possible to vigorously dispute those claims without having to accuse the poster of being an anti-Semite.

If you're asking why those posts are being down-voted: I can't tell you. There probably are Jew-haters who downvote anything pro-Israeli; I'd be surprised if there were enough of them to counter the corrective upvotes.

But the post you responded to accuses anyone who makes a post that is not fully in support of everything that Israel does as an anti-Semite. That's a poisonous tactic; it's one reason why political discussion is strongly recommended against on HN and I stand by my claim that it is why that individual post was down-voted.

Here are two pro-Israeli posts that are not currently downvoted...

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=8610988

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=8610951

...So even your claim that every Pro-Israeli comment is downvoted is incorrect.

Re: Caltech professor claims Israeli spy infiltrated JPL

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Post by WorldWideWayne »

gaoshan wrote: post #45
WorldWideWayne wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You should ask her what she thinks about the possibility that China is an asset controlled by a higher power, considering the fact that Mao Zedong was a Yale man and that ever since he was installed, every US ambassador to China has been a Skull and Bones member - https://www.google.com/search?q=mao+zedong+yale+school+of+di...

No point in asking her that as she is mentally stable.

So, it's a proven fact that the Yale School of Divinity exists. It's proven that Mao Zedong was a student there. It's proven that Skull and Bones exists and it's proven that Mao was a member and that each ambassador to China since Mao has also been a member.

Did you not read anything about the subject before commenting? Ever heard of the Opium Wars? You act as if it's unthinkable that a small group of powerful people could take control of an entire nation and cause so much trouble.

What point did you disagree on? Or, were you just going to stick with your feeble ad-hominem attack on me?

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