Hacker News Board Hacker News, browsed like a classic message board
Live data from Hacker News

What's New in C# 6.0 [video]

channel9.msdn.com

Post reply on HN
Print view View original

21–30 of 145 posts

Re: What's New in C# 6.0 [video]

#21

Post by 300bps »

wbond wrote: post #18

While all of the changes look nice in terms of writing less code, they are the kind of syntactic sugar I learned to hate in CoffeeScript. Mostly because the code was so much denser and harder to read. Especially when reading other people's code. As I write more and more code, the more I want simplicity and ease of understanding over typing a few less characters or having more elegant code.

As I write more and more code, the more I want simplicity

I had a 24 year old developer report to me that apparently thought his bonuses were tied to how many operations he did on a single line of code.

He consistently wrote unbelievably complex lambda expressions with multiple conditional operators that would make a single line take up at least 1.5 screenfulls in Visual Studio on a 1920x1080 resolution monitor. These lines were impossible to debug and had to be inevitably broken up.

For a while I thought he was following the conventions laid forth in:

https://www.thc.org/root/phun/unmaintain.html

...but he really seemed to be genuinely thinking he was accomplishing something good by doing this.

I'm with you though. I'll take simplicity.

Re: What's New in C# 6.0 [video]

#24

Post by pionar »

StevePerkins wrote: post #16
zobzu wrote: post #13

I'm going to take some hits for that but... with .NET being open source (never liked Mono..) and all.. I'm tempted to use C# in the future again. Using it on Windows has always been good - and now that it compiles to native code too and that the libs are open....

I thought that native compilation was only for "Windows Store" apps. Do they now have that available for regular Windows desktop apps too (or more importantly, server-side Linux apps)?

I haven't played with it much, but it says in the FAQ[1] :

"Will Server/Desktop apps benefit from .NET Native and/or the Compiler in the Cloud?

Desktop apps are a very important part of our strategy. Initially, we are focusing on Windows Store apps with .NET Native. In the longer term we will continue to improve native compilation for all .NET applications."

[1] http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-US/vstudio/dn642499.aspx

Re: What's New in C# 6.0 [video]

#25

Post by JamesBarney »

wbond wrote: post #18

While all of the changes look nice in terms of writing less code, they are the kind of syntactic sugar I learned to hate in CoffeeScript. Mostly because the code was so much denser and harder to read. Especially when reading other people's code. As I write more and more code, the more I want simplicity and ease of understanding over typing a few less characters or having more elegant code.

I think what's important is that they are making good choices, such as immutability, take fewer lines of code. This pulls the default developer in the direction of writing immutable by default, which I think is great change.

Re: What's New in C# 6.0 [video]

#26

Post by pionar »

moron4hire wrote: post #15

Using static classes as namespaces addresses something I was just complaining about a week ago. Let's take it a step further! Just let us put bare functions in namespaces without the dance of the static class.

>Let's take it a step further! Just let us put bare functions in namespaces without the dance of the static class.

No. C# is an object-oriented language. It doesn't have functions, it has methods. Methods are always attached to a class. Even anonymous methods (lambdas) are compiled to be a method on a class (like c__DisplayClass1).

"Bare" or "global" functions have no place in C#.

Re: What's New in C# 6.0 [video]

#27

Post by noblethrasher »

I'm a tiny bit disappointed with the inclusion of exception filters, but I suppose it is pragmatic feature.

I'm fond of a pattern where error codes can be implicitly converted to Exceptions[1].

It's often argued that exceptions are for things that your program cannot handle and error codes are for things that it can. But, in my experience, whether or not a bad condition is an error or an exception depends upon the layer in which the code lives.

Also, a side benefit of this scheme is that most of the exceptions show up in the class browser, or can be explored through reflection.

[1]https://gist.github.com/noblethrasher/ba37ed6176ebeb679dd2 -- In my example, the error code is an integer, but it could be another class that holds more information about the operation.

Re: What's New in C# 6.0 [video]

#28

Post by custardcream »

300bps wrote: post #21
wbond wrote: post #18

While all of the changes look nice in terms of writing less code, they are the kind of syntactic sugar I learned to hate in CoffeeScript. Mostly because the code was so much denser and harder to read. Especially when reading other people's code. As I write more and more code, the more I want simplicity and ease of understanding over typing a few less characters or having more elegant code.

As I write more and more code, the more I want simplicity I had a 24 year old developer report to me that apparently thought his bonuses were tied to how many operations he did on a single line of code. He consistently wrote unbelievably complex lambda expressions with multiple conditional operators that would make a single line take up at least 1.5 screenfulls in Visual Studio on a 1920x1080 resolution monitor. Thes…

Well it depends how you do it. There's certainly some mileage in doing it like that properly:

http://blogs.msdn.com/b/lukeh/archive/2007/10/01/taking-linq...

Re: What's New in C# 6.0 [video]

#30

Post by mkhalil »

It all looks really promising. Love it.

I'm a little worried about "nameof" in the hand of amateur programmers though. Efficiency aside (because it's not efficient), code readability might take a hit.

Post reply on HN