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The Dream Stack - Is This A Joke?

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Re: The Dream Stack - Is This A Joke?

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Post by nopassrecover »

megaduck wrote: post #6
nopassrecover wrote: post #3

How is this a joke? The author has given a set of requirements and asked what you think are the best choices to meet those requirements. If you are ever considering a web startup this is a perfect question to ask and one you should know the answer to. Incidentally I'm a fan of the ASP.NET MVC stack (using MS SQL) for web development, but I don't think it's the most scalable and is unlikely to have a large pool of goo…

Scalability shouldn't be a problem. Stack Overflow uses ASP.NET MVC with a SQL server backend, and they're doing over a million hits a day.

Yeah that is true and plentyoffish.com uses ASP.NET too. I'm just thinking like Amazon/Google/Facebook big and whether that would become an issue.

Re: The Dream Stack - Is This A Joke?

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Post by jrockway »

Note the byline: "Senior Analyst, Forrester Research".

To non-programmers like the author, this sort of article is reasonable. Programming is not a creative art, it's just about buying some tools that you read about in the trade magazine.

Re: The Dream Stack - Is This A Joke?

#13

Post by jrockway »

nopassrecover wrote: post #11
megaduck wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Scalability shouldn't be a problem. Stack Overflow uses ASP.NET MVC with a SQL server backend, and they're doing over a million hits a day.

Yeah that is true and plentyoffish.com uses ASP.NET too. I'm just thinking like Amazon/Google/Facebook big and whether that would become an issue.

I'm just thinking like Amazon/Google/Facebook big and whether that would become an issue.

Yeah, why solve problems that you actually have when you can fantasize about solving problems you don't have instead?

Re: The Dream Stack - Is This A Joke?

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Post by idlewords »

I think of this kind of tool wank as "Guitar Center development" - the conviction that choosing the perfect combination of web framework, revision control system, programming language, data store, templating engine and web server is a prerequisite to building an awesome app.

It's exactly analagous to the idea that you can't truly shred until you've assembled the right set of effects pedals, preamps, niobium-plated strings, vintage depleted-uranium core wound pickups and ocelot-tooth guitar pick.

Just play the damn thing.

Re: The Dream Stack - Is This A Joke?

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Post by gaius »

jrockway wrote: post #12

Note the byline: "Senior Analyst, Forrester Research". To non-programmers like the author, this sort of article is reasonable. Programming is not a creative art, it's just about buying some tools that you read about in the trade magazine.

Unfortunately the reality is that some poor coders will be lumbered with whatever the CIO read about in a Forrester report. The article itself counts as "research".

Re: The Dream Stack - Is This A Joke?

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Post by moe »

megaduck wrote: post #6
nopassrecover wrote: post #3

How is this a joke? The author has given a set of requirements and asked what you think are the best choices to meet those requirements. If you are ever considering a web startup this is a perfect question to ask and one you should know the answer to. Incidentally I'm a fan of the ASP.NET MVC stack (using MS SQL) for web development, but I don't think it's the most scalable and is unlikely to have a large pool of goo…

Scalability shouldn't be a problem. Stack Overflow uses ASP.NET MVC with a SQL server backend, and they're doing over a million hits a day.

No offense but a million hits/day doesn't have much to do with scalability. That comes down to 11 hits/sec - a single midrange server will deal that without breaking a sweat.

Add one or two orders of magnitude, then you're talking about scalability.

Re: The Dream Stack - Is This A Joke?

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Post by mattking »

I want to develop a Web application - a really good Web app. The kind of Web app that will make me so rich that I can buy an $9.4 million co-op over looking Central Park, a Yacht registered in Monaco, and hire an architect to build my dream-house west of Boston that is a combo of Buckminster Fuller, FLW, and MTV cribs. Throw in a vintage sweet ride like Don Draper's Cadillac and lifetime membership to the Boston Sports Club. I'm set.

I had to re-read the article (and the above paragraph) several times, and check other articles on the site to make sure I wasn't reading a parody site.

Re: The Dream Stack - Is This A Joke?

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Post by 9oliYQjP »

moe wrote: post #16
megaduck wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Scalability shouldn't be a problem. Stack Overflow uses ASP.NET MVC with a SQL server backend, and they're doing over a million hits a day.

No offense but a million hits/day doesn't have much to do with scalability. That comes down to 11 hits/sec - a single midrange server will deal that without breaking a sweat. Add one or two orders of magnitude, then you're talking about scalability.

In theory and on average, a million hits per day will come down to 11 hits per second. What you're more likely to see in practice though is huge peaks and troughs in load. The average might be 11 hits per second. But the peak load could be 100 hits per second around lunch and the minimum load could be 2 hits per second at 4 AM.

Moreover, a hit is a rather arbitrary unit of measure. 11 hits per second to the Twitter API is a lot different than 11 hits per second to a static site like example.com.

Re: The Dream Stack - Is This A Joke?

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Post by agnokapathetic »

nopassrecover wrote: post #11
megaduck wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Scalability shouldn't be a problem. Stack Overflow uses ASP.NET MVC with a SQL server backend, and they're doing over a million hits a day.

Yeah that is true and plentyoffish.com uses ASP.NET too. I'm just thinking like Amazon/Google/Facebook big and whether that would become an issue.

Myspace was originally written in Coldfusion, they ported to ASP.NET and the current system handles 1.5 Billion page views per day and up to 2.3 million concurrent users (source: MIX Conference 2006 http://www.andreas-kraus.net/blog/handling-15-billion-page-v...)
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