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Microsoft takes .NET open source and cross-platform

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Re: Microsoft takes .NET open source and cross-platform

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Post by Tyrannosaurs »

moonchrome wrote: post #143
weavie wrote: post #123

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It would destroy Xamarin if they made it free to develop C# for iOS/Android.

Highly depends on what the deal between Xamarin and MS is. For example they could work out a deal with Xamarin where they would provide free access under same terms as Visual Studio community (the >5 people) and Microsoft could pay them more than enough to cover their loss while promoting their development stack.

Doesn't Xamarin have a load of other stuff around testing and the like?

It could just mean a move away from Xamarin as a core development tool into producing things which support development on these platforms.

Re: Microsoft takes .NET open source and cross-platform

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Post by positivejam »

codeshaman wrote: post #179

Good move, but (too) late. The move is designed to attract iOS and Android Devs to .NET. But let's see: As an iOS developer, I've invested years in learning Objective-C and Cocoa, UIKit, etc. Now I'm starting with Swift. I'm sure a lot of iOS devs feel this way. Besides, if I can't use it from OSX, then I'm out. Why should I forget everything and learn C#/.NET ? If I want a write-once-run-everywhere thing, then I cou…

Maybe it's not so much about drawing developers to them but trying to keep existing .NET developers from straying?

Re: Microsoft takes .NET open source and cross-platform

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Post by potatolicious »

codeshaman wrote: post #179

Good move, but (too) late. The move is designed to attract iOS and Android Devs to .NET. But let's see: As an iOS developer, I've invested years in learning Objective-C and Cocoa, UIKit, etc. Now I'm starting with Swift. I'm sure a lot of iOS devs feel this way. Besides, if I can't use it from OSX, then I'm out. Why should I forget everything and learn C#/.NET ? If I want a write-once-run-everywhere thing, then I cou…

This doesn't seem like a mobile play at all, honestly.

They're opening the core, and large portions of the web server stack. This points to it being a play for web development, not native mobile.

There are some additional integrations with Xamarin - but Xamarin isn't owned by MS nor is it the key highlight of today's announcements.

Re: Microsoft takes .NET open source and cross-platform

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Post by jacquesm »

us0r wrote: post #164
jacquesm wrote: post #147

Earlier quoted context omitted.

- Stacker - Netscape - SCO And many others besides. Companies have reputations just like people do (that's why we call them 'incorporated') and just like you can lose your trust in a person you can lose your trust in a corporation. This is not about Microsoft just doing 'stupid stuff sometimes' it is about institutionalized criminal behavior sanctioned at the highest level of one of the largest software companies in…

Your M.O. is to shit on anything Microsoft. Microsoft, Google, Apple and every other F500 company has engaged in "institutionalized criminal behavior sanctioned at the highest level" yet I don't recall seeing you in other threads.

You're way out of line. I dislike Google and Apple right about as much as I dislike Microsoft, the only difference there is that they seem to have a lesser string of convictions behind their names (for now, give them some time).

If you really took the time to go through my posting history you'd see that I'm pretty evenhanded.

Of the big companies I use google where I can't avoid it, don't have a facebook account, there is one apple product in this house (a 2007 issue iMac which I keep running for testing purposes), my phone is an ancient (and indestructible) Nokia and I have an active twitter handle. That's about it.

So no, my M.O. is not exactly to just shit on anything Microsoft, it's just that Microsoft was - and is - worse than most. See: patents, intellectual ventures (you didn't really believe that MS didn't have a hand in that?), subversion of various legal proceedings against MS and even after being convicted using their lobbying power and business muscle to avoid their punishment.

That's probably a record for any tech company, feel free to list examples of worse behavior in the software world if you're aware of any.

Re: Microsoft takes .NET open source and cross-platform

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Post by eloisant »

jpgvm wrote: post #61

I'm a hardcore *nix guy but boy do I love me some C#. Up until now it's been the best language I have worked with but the worst platform due to it's lack of 'nice things' that we just expect from languages/ecosystems these days. Where 'nice things' is defined as being open-source, having open-source ecosystem of developer tools etc. This isn't so much the beginning (as good stuff has been happening for a couple of ye…

C# as a language is better than Java, but not as good as Scala.

Re: Microsoft takes .NET open source and cross-platform

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Post by iamjustasking »

coldtea wrote: post #108
fapjacks wrote: post #91

Too little, too late. At the end of the day, you're still being forced to pay a company to use their shitty software. Once you lose developers, you lose the race.

The thing is, it's anything but shitty. C# is one of the best languages out there for generic enterprise work and app development, and there's a magnigicent next gen language in F# thrown in, and a great web framework.

"C# is one of the best languages out there for generic enterprise work and app development" - i see you have great tools if cs is soooo good.

Re: Microsoft takes .NET open source and cross-platform

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Post by enry_straker »

jmcqk6 wrote: post #134
FlyingSnake wrote: post #50

This is epic. Peter Thiel was right about creative Monopoly. The new Microsoft under Satya Nadella has totally changed the direction of Microsoft in just a few months. They had one of the best and rock solid development platforms and research division, and loyal customers. The new Azure cloud (Online + On Premise) along with the opening of .Net will change the playing field. I'm sure this is a great new for us develo…

>The new Microsoft under Satya Nadella has totally changed the direction of Microsoft in just a few months. They had one of the best and rock solid development platforms and research division, and loyal customers. While you might be right about having a new leader and creating change, but this is not something that happened in the last few months. This has been building up for years. I think it started with IronPytho…

IronPython and IronRuby never really had corporate backing - and the few resources devoted to them had been moved away fairly quickly.

Thus their fate today.

The difference, this time, seems to be high-level policy and a complete change of direction of the entire developer division.

Re: Microsoft takes .NET open source and cross-platform

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Post by Slackwise »

stinos wrote: post #128
Slackwise wrote: post #53

If only this included a revival of IronRuby. And, moonshot, but — giving IronRuby/IronPython as much prominence as PowerShell.

And IronPython! (yes, it works, quite well actually, but porting of numpy etc seems to have stalled years ago IIRC)

Well, I was mentioning a revival of IronRuby because it was totally abandoned. I didn't know the state of IronPython, but last I checked, it was still being developed.

I want both to be available, though.

Re: Microsoft takes .NET open source and cross-platform

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Post by wanda »

WorldWideWayne wrote: post #42

The key points seem to be: "Available Wednesday, Visual Studio Community 2013 is a free, fully featured edition of Visual Studio including full extensibility." So, it sounds like this will replace the Express edition and let you install extensions like you can in the Pro version. "Visual Studio 2015 and .NET 2015: build for any device - Built from the ground up with support for iOS, Android and Windows, Visual Studio…

http://blog.xamarin.com/microsoft-and-xamarin-expand-global-...

"Today we’re excited to take the partnership to the next level, by announcing:

1. Support for Visual Studio 2015 – Today, we released support for the Visual Studio 2015 Preview release, which includes Xamarin templates that make it easier to discover and download Xamarin from within the IDE.

2. Free Xamarin Starter Edition for Visual Studio Users – Today, Microsoft announced a new, free edition to Visual Studio—Visual Studio Community. Visual Studio Community contains support for extensions, which means it will be Xamarin compatible with from day one. We want to help make Visual Studio Community a tool for anyone to create native apps for iOS and Android, so we are announcing our plans to enable our freely available Xamarin Starter Edition to work with Visual Studio Community. We are also doubling the size limit on apps that can be created with Xamarin Starter Edition, so that you can build even more capable apps for free. This will be available in the coming weeks.

3. Special offers for MSDN Subscribers – We’ve worked with Microsoft to create a 20% discount for Visual Studio Premium and Ultimate MSDN subscribers to purchase Xamarin Business or Enterprise Editions, or world-class mobile development training with Xamarin University, available up to 60 days after the Visual Studio Purchase."

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