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Gnome Foundation and Groupon product names – Updated

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Re: Gnome Foundation and Groupon product names – Updated

#41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I want to see any emails before I determine that they were lying. There's no reason to assume bad faith.

www.gnome.org is the first result in google when searching gnome. It takes extraordinary amounts of willful ignorance to not find the existence of gnome.org If their product was something marginally connected to IT I would have assumed good faith either. If tomorrow Elon says - the new Tesla Gnome - the world's first electric sport bike, there will be no backlash.

agree. Also it's easy to say - oh, ok we'll change the name of the product than - after bad words starts to flood from anywhere.

Re: Gnome Foundation and Groupon product names – Updated

#42
post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You don't say anything that's not exactly right, but you're still missing the point. They had the opportunity to own up to their mistake and seek the goodwill of the community. They missed that chance. Perhaps not "evil", but certainly worth some continued indignation.

Evil was the point, I don't think I missed that. It seems to me your point is I failed to recognize how much indignation this caused, but that wasn't really within the scope of the comment I was replying to. And I'm not trying to debate whether continued indignation is warranted or not. My suspicion is it'll blow over pretty quickly, though, if for no other reason than there are more pressing issues keeping most open…

Whilst GNOME has not fully disclosed the information, which has been disgust for months at Board Meetings, I would stand by the evil comment. Groupon, the massive for profit organisation, made a conscious decision ("Not only did Groupon refuse ...")to basically say FU to GNOME. They then used their position as a major organisation to try and coerce them into an unacceptable situation("alternative branding options") which included filling more trademark applications.

I would, and do, call them bullies and bullies are evil.

Re: Gnome Foundation and Groupon product names – Updated

#43
post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Evil was the point, I don't think I missed that. It seems to me your point is I failed to recognize how much indignation this caused, but that wasn't really within the scope of the comment I was replying to. And I'm not trying to debate whether continued indignation is warranted or not. My suspicion is it'll blow over pretty quickly, though, if for no other reason than there are more pressing issues keeping most open…

Whilst GNOME has not fully disclosed the information, which has been disgust for months at Board Meetings, I would stand by the evil comment. Groupon, the massive for profit organisation, made a conscious decision ("Not only did Groupon refuse ...")to basically say FU to GNOME. They then used their position as a major organisation to try and coerce them into an unacceptable situation("alternative branding options") w…

I see your point, though I would still reserve the word for stuff that is at least an order of magnitude more troubling. Including this comment, I said so three times in different variations, and the fact that we're arguing over this word still means we probably can't arrive at a common definition of what constitutes "1.0 units of evil" which we all agree on.

Barring this common definition, I'd rather talk about the facts of what happened, or even useful speculation and opinions about it, than to discuss labels that have different meanings for every single person reading this.

It's getting a bit unproductive. I'm sorry to have entered this discussion now because it makes me sound like I'm defending behavior that I don't actually support.

Re: Gnome Foundation and Groupon product names – Updated

#44
post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I want to see any emails before I determine that they were lying. There's no reason to assume bad faith.

Except they chose to use the name Gnome which was already being used which is a bad faith move. There's no possible way they didn't know about Gnome - there's photographs of at least one Groupon employee who was also involved in Gnome.

There isn't anything inherently wrong with using a name someone is already using. The issue is whether or not the subsequent user's use would cause confusion in the prior user's markets. Heck, the GNOME Foundation themselves are using a name that was already being used. The Lake County Nursery in Perry, Ohio, registered Gnome as a trademark in 1980, and has used it continuously ever since.

The Lake County Nursery's use is in class 031 (Natural agricultural products), and within that class it is in the area of plants.

GNOME Foundation's use is in these classes and areas within those classes:

IC 009 (Electrical and scientific apparatus):

• downloadable computer software tools and libraries used for the development of other software applications

• downloadable computer software development tools

• downloadable computer software for creating and managing a computer desktop

• downloadable computer software for use as a graphical user interface

• downloadable computer software for word processing, database management, and use as a spreadsheet

IC 042 (Computer, scientific & legal):

• computer software development

• computer software design

• computer programming for others

• technical consulting services in the field of computer software licensing of intellectual property

It's pretty clear that none of those are likely to cause confusion in Lake County Nursery's market, so their using a name already in use was fine.

Here are the classes and areas that Groupon was trying to claim the mark for. They include several areas in the same classes GNOME's are in, so concern on the part of the GNOME Foundation is certainly warranted. On the other hand, trademark classes are very broad (e.g., "Electrical and scientific apparatus"), and Groupon's areas within these classes are fairly far from GNOME's areas, so I can see them actually believing that they were far enough apart to not cause confusion. If it went to a hearing, I could see it going either way.

IC 009 (Electrical and scientific apparatus):

• computer hardware and software for processing point of sale transactions, payment transactions, voucher redemption, appointment scheduling, customer relationship management, customer location detection and awareness, inventory management, analyzing merchant transactions, and for evaluating and managing information on business performance and customers

• computer application software for mobile phones, smart phones, PC tablets, and electronic tablets for processing point of sale transactions, payment transactions, voucher redemption, appointment scheduling, customer relationship management, customer location detection and awareness, inventory management, analyzing merchant transactions, and for evaluating and managing information on business performance and customers

• computer software and hardware that enables users to send and receive pricing, financial transaction, customer information, and payment processing information directly to and from a mobile device and a cloud-based server

• downloadable mobile computer apparatus software applications that enables users to send and receive pricing, financial transaction and payment processing information directly to and from a mobile device and a cloud-based server

• computer hardware, namely, hand-held computing devices in the nature of credit card processing units consisting of electronic machines for reading credits cards, tablet computers for point of sale transactions, payment calculating machines, and magnetic coded card readers and the software used to operate the aforementioned computer hardware

• contact management software used to organize and retrieve customer contact information

• electronic commerce and transaction application software that allows users to engage in electronic business transactions via a global computer network

• printer software for operating printers and printing. accounting software used to track and present financial information relating to sales

• schedule management software used to organize and retrieve scheduling information

• payment systems and devices, namely, electronic card readers, payment calculating machines, magnetic coded card readers, credit card processing units consisting of electronic machines for reading credits cards, point of sale terminals, and multi-functional computer hardware with payment function

• computer hardware, namely, electronic card readers for electronically readable cards

• tablet stands

IC 035 (Advertising and business):

• providing marketplace information, namely, commercial information on merchants, customers, consumer products, and business events and services

• providing business information in the field of point of sale transactions, payment transactions, voucher redemption, appointment scheduling, customer relationship management, customer location detection and awareness, inventory management, merchant transactions, business performance, and customers

• providing a website featuring ratings, reviews and recommendations on products and services offered by merchants, consumer products, business events and services, and business information related to sale transactions, payment transactions, voucher redemption, appointment scheduling, customer relationship management, customer location detection and awareness, inventory management, merchant transactions, business performance, and customers

• business planning and management for marketing, promoting or advertising the goods and services of others

• marketing, promotional marketing, and advertising services

• administration of a customer loyalty reward program to promote the retail services of others for participants to obtain benefits from purchases of a company's goods and services

• appointment scheduling services

IC 042 (Computer, scientific & legal):

• providing use of cloud-based non-downloadable software for processing point of sale transactions, payment transactions, voucher redemption, appointment scheduling, customer relationship management, customer location detection and awareness, inventory management, analyzing merchant transactions, and for evaluating and managing information on business performance and customers

• providing temporary use of non-downloadable software that enables users to send and receive pricing, financial transaction, customer information, and payment processing information directly to and from a mobile device and a cloud-based server

• software as a service (SAAS) services featuring software that enables users to send and receive pricing, financial transaction, customer information, and payment processing information directly to and from a mobile device and a cloud-based server

• providing use of cloud-based non-downloadable software for payment services, merchant analytics, and for evaluating and managing information on business performance and customers

• technical support services, namely, troubleshooting in the nature of diagnosing computer hardware problems and troubleshooting of computer software problems

• installation and maintenance services for computer software for processing point of sale transactions, payment transactions, voucher redemption, appointment scheduling, customer relationship management, customer location detection and awareness, inventory management, analyzing merchant transactions, and for evaluating and managing information on business performance and customers

Re: Gnome Foundation and Groupon product names – Updated

#45

How is it that every time I see any article, blog post, whatever, about Groupon, including posts by Groupon themselves, I find myself feeling kinda like I need a shower? Some of their sliminess gets on me every time I come in contact with anything they do. It takes incredible chutzpah (and not in a good way) to operate the way they operate. They wanted to trademark "Gnome" for a software product, and expected the GNO…

Yea, I was wondering where I had heard of Groupon before recently - I assumed that it was due to some of their shady business practices hitting the news - and realized that these were the same guys that sent a recruitment email about a junior Rails dev position to David Heinemeier Hansson.
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