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Pirate Bay Founder Peter Sunde Released from Prison

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Re: Pirate Bay Founder Peter Sunde Released from Prison

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It's pretty rich that almost this entire thread is arguing about the prison not respecting Sunde's vegan wishes and his personal wealth and ideals. There are more than ninety comments here and all of them hang off nearly-dead comments. The entire point of prison is to suck, otherwise it wouldn't serve its role, which is to deter crime. Louis CK has a bit about this in one of his recent specials: ...but we really need…

> about the prison not respecting Sunde's vegan (...)

The other half of his complaints are about boredom, which is equally non-exceptionnal in prison. And he's been there only 5 months, that's very moderate for someone who's been a fugitive.

Re: Pirate Bay Founder Peter Sunde Released from Prison

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It's pretty rich that almost this entire thread is arguing about the prison not respecting Sunde's vegan wishes and his personal wealth and ideals. There are more than ninety comments here and all of them hang off nearly-dead comments. The entire point of prison is to suck, otherwise it wouldn't serve its role, which is to deter crime. Louis CK has a bit about this in one of his recent specials: ...but we really need…

I'm also pretty sure Sweden's "maximum" security prison is still better than most US prisons.

To stretch even further, they are even better than some dormitory rooms I've seen across the world. Check the picture at the top of this article that shows the maximum security prison's cell in Sweden: http://www.theguardian.com/society/2013/dec/01/why-sweden-cl...

Taking it to the absurd level, A. Breivik, a Norwegian killer of 77 people (mostly children), demanding better video games "to end his torture": http://www.euronews.com/2014/02/14/far-right-terrorist-breiv... and here's how his prison looks like: http://content.time.com/time/photogallery/0,29307,1989083_21...

I guess that only proves a point that crime prevention is not about the severity of the punishment, but the well being and education.

Re: Pirate Bay Founder Peter Sunde Released from Prison

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>There was no concern for his vegan diet I can't be the only one that thinks it's ridiculous for a prison to accommodate voluntary diets like this.

What is ridiculous about it? One of the primary goals of prisons, at least here, is to rehabilitate the inmates. Whether that works in practice or not, it's recognized that if you can't practice your most basic beliefs, whether those are religiously founded or otherwise, your mental health and general well being is going to suffer.

Re: Pirate Bay Founder Peter Sunde Released from Prison

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Is it really much different than Jews keeping Kosher or Muslims keeping Halal? Prisons are for punishment for crimes that we consider significant enough to jail people, they don't have to dehumanize the prisoners. The cost of 'specialty' food for a few tiny percent of prisoners is a minuscule figure in the total cost of imprisonment, and could easily be accommodated within the wider food offerings. If every meal had…

It's still unelegant and inconsistent. If I claim my diet requires high-quality food determined by me daily, that gets ignored. I understand Kosher for commercial enterprises like airlines: with a minimum of effort, they can satisfy many customers. But governments should have consistent treatment of citizens.

> It's still unelegant and inconsistent.

Yes, what a shame in such an otherwise elegant and consistent system.

Re: Pirate Bay Founder Peter Sunde Released from Prison

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On the flipside, I cannot imagine clickthrough rates and impressions that lead to purchases is high on a site that markets itself as a place to pirate digital content even for those not using adblock. And the nature of the site can deter larger advertisers from using it. I'm not saying they made no money, but I doubt it would have been as lucrative as if those page views were dedicated to, say, www.wickerbaskets.com…

They don't have any shortage of advertisers so there is obviously demand for the space = companies paying for it. There are also piracy-complementary services that seem to be popular in the ads like VPN and privacy stuff, seed boxes, torrent clients etc that people do pay for.

If we are talking about the current site, they only accept bitcoins as payment from advertisers.

How big market do you think there is of advertisers that are willing to pay with bitcoins in order for advertisement space on a bittorent site?

Re: Pirate Bay Founder Peter Sunde Released from Prison

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And you're wrong. Food quality is a small piece of the big puzzle of how prisoners are treated, which obviously affects how they will reintegrate in society, which is something that recidivism rates measure. Prisons should not be about punishing people. Punishment would lead to just more drain on society. I would have hoped we'd have outgrown this childish yearn for revenge in the 21st century.

You, like many people in this thread, seem to imply that punishment only serves to take revenge, or to balance the cosmic scales of justice. But you miss the obvious purpose of punishment: that it deters crime.

... which doesn't work. And if the victim's family is allowed to observe the execution of the prisoner, for example, that has nothing to do with deterring crime. There are countless other examples, especially in how both public officials and law enforcement agents, and the media portray court cases.

All the talk about justice being served is missing the point: if punishment is meant to deter crime (either by subduing/rehabilitating the prisoner or by serving as an example to would-be criminals), the feelings of the victim or the victim's family are irrelevant.

But we can actually measure whether punishments are a useful deterrent. Harsher punishments aren't better deterrents. In fact, they may even have the opposite effect: if you're already committing a crime that incurs the practical maximum (i.e. life-long imprisonment or the death penalty), the potential punishment for further crimes can not provide any deterrent at all. What can you practically add beyond that? Torture? Mutilation? A slow and painful death?

I'm not going to argue that the complete absence of punishment would be better. But in order to serve as a useful deterrent punishments often would have to be comically disproportionate to the actual harm of the crime. And that's exactly what we have in the US.

There are exactly three possible explanations to why the US is beating the entire Western world in terms of prison population: a) every other country in the Western world is overrun by criminals because we don't lock up enough of them, b) Americans on average are much more likely to be criminals or c) American prison terms are absurdly disproportionate. I know the right-wing media (or by non-American standards: the far right-wing media) likes to promote a) and Hollywood might be sold on b), I think we both know the answer is c).

Re: Pirate Bay Founder Peter Sunde Released from Prison

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I think when you're in that line of business, your entire infrastructure could be taken from you at any moment. That could make knowing your financials kind of difficult. Edit: Why the downvotes?

At a first approximation, your hosting costs are very obvious: you get a monthly invoice from your hosting provider. If you use multiple providers, add them up. If you use a CDN, add that in too. Very simple. Whether or not your infrastructure will be seized changes nothing about the fact that they are receiving regular invoices for the services they consume. Revenues are similarly easy to calculate: add up all the p…

True, but you're assuming they were even remotely systematic about their book keeping.

Depending on how much their income did fluctuate and how irregular their expenses might have been (especially if you consider "one time" expenses like hardware with an indeterminate life expectancy) and if you then consider that they likely had their hand in the cookie jar while also throwing "their own" money back in when they needed to, it can be a huge ball of mud.

You could determine the total loss/gain by adding up the business-related expenses and income, but that assumes they were interested in doing so.

I'm sure they had at least a general idea of how well they were doing "right now" (i.e. assuming no catastrophic hardware failures or drastic changes in revenue, etc), but unless they were certain they weren't making much money (or even operating at a loss), they had no incentive to put their exact net profit/loss into clear terms.

Considering how easy it is to burn large sums of money without really being aware of where it all went, I'd give them the benefit of the doubt that they actually didn't know if they made a ton of money. But I'm fairly certain they knew the general direction they had been heading well enough not to be honest about the specifics.

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