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Police Can Seize and Sell Assets Even When the Owner Broke No Law

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#41
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The incentives for police in this country are all wrong. It should be illegal for police to profit in any way off of the people they're tasked with protecting. They should be paid using tax money based on how well they're doing their actual job.

> based on how well they're doing their actual job

Might that also lead to questionable practices to make sure they're perceived to be "doing a good job"? It already happens in the form of ticket quotas.

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#43

In theory we live in a democracy that should make fixing this easy.

It makes fixing it possible. It's unreasonable to expect that getting millions of people to agree to take specific actions to effect a very precise change in laws will be "easy".

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post #23

What surprises me is that this hasn't been declared unconstitutional. I thought you couldn't be deprived of property without due process? I know it has survived numerous court cases so I'm baffled.

it's almost as if the original american political ideals are corrupt enough to afford chattel property rights over human beings and aren't actually built on ethical grounds

I think "it's almost as if" is an unduly passive-aggressive way to begin a comment, but I agree that the thought you are expressing warrants discussion in this thread.

Re: Police Can Seize and Sell Assets Even When the Owner Broke No Law

#46
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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Those particular geese only lay golden eggs until you kill them. My guess is they got greedy and then got attention. It was fine and good when they took PimpDaddy's caddy because drugs, but not so fine when they took his grandma's house too because he parked there for an hour last tuesday.

man you're not even trying with the racial dogwhistles here but it speaks to a deeper truth

Curious, where was race mentioned?

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#47

I'm curious why libertarians around here and Tea Party followers elsewhere do not make more noise over this issue. It's an honest question; my hypothesis: It's because the intrusion is from the right and not from the left.

Primarily because it's hacker news, not libertarian news.

Magazines like Reason have covered this for decades, here's an article from the 90s.

http://reason.com/assets/db/13062612839676.pdf

Re: Police Can Seize and Sell Assets Even When the Owner Broke No Law

#48

Similar NYTimes article posted yesterday with a bit more substance: http://www.nytimes.com/2014/11/10/us/police-use-department-w... I'm not really sure why civil forfeiture places the burden on owners. Kind of defies the logic of innocent until proven guilty.

The burden is actually still on the government, but it's a lower burden than criminal cases.

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#49
post #23

What surprises me is that this hasn't been declared unconstitutional. I thought you couldn't be deprived of property without due process? I know it has survived numerous court cases so I'm baffled.

You do get due process. If the police take your property, you file a notice with them that it is your property. They either give it back or file a civil suit against the property. That civil suit will have a trial, which is the due process.

Re: Police Can Seize and Sell Assets Even When the Owner Broke No Law

#50

I'm curious why libertarians around here and Tea Party followers elsewhere do not make more noise over this issue. It's an honest question; my hypothesis: It's because the intrusion is from the right and not from the left.

Although I don't typically use the word "libertarian" to describe myself, I do run in libertarian circles and I think this is arguably the single biggest issue of concern (other candidates include foreign policy and the prison system).

Go to Liberty Forum or Porcupine Festival and you'll see not just one but multiple studied experts discussing both the particulars of these policies and also strategies for achieving change.

Rand Paul (whom isn't nearly radical enough for my palate but carries the "Tea Party" label arguably more than anyone else) is by far the loudest member of either house of congress on this issue.

As far as I know, Gary Johnson (Libertarian Party candidate in 2012 and former New Mexico Governor) was the only viable candidate for President (defined here as being on the ballot in enough states to have a mathematical possibility of victory) who talked about this issue in his stump speech.

I'm not sure what more you want?

As an aside: Gary Johnson is a truly wonderful human being and an incredible elite athlete. I've been fortunate to get to hang out with him on about half a dozen occasions and, dare I say, become a personal friend, albeit not a close one (yet :-)). He's a really warm person who radiates amazingly positive energy (something you don't necessarily expect from a Libertarian) and is full of really intense entrepreneurial drive. He's planning a run again for 2016; be sure to at least give his material a chance.

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