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Pirate Bay Founder Peter Sunde Released from Prison

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Re: Pirate Bay Founder Peter Sunde Released from Prison

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post #144

It's pretty rich that almost this entire thread is arguing about the prison not respecting Sunde's vegan wishes and his personal wealth and ideals. There are more than ninety comments here and all of them hang off nearly-dead comments. The entire point of prison is to suck, otherwise it wouldn't serve its role, which is to deter crime. Louis CK has a bit about this in one of his recent specials: ...but we really need…

Murder has always been illegal, in every society, throughout history. Nevertheless murder rates vary widely from one society to another. So no, "the law against murder is the number one thing preventing murder". There is much more to it.

> Murder has always been illegal, in every society,

Only if you allow for a highly variable definition of 'murder', at which point there isn't much value in comparison.

Re: Pirate Bay Founder Peter Sunde Released from Prison

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post #84

Earlier quoted context omitted.

On the flipside, I cannot imagine clickthrough rates and impressions that lead to purchases is high on a site that markets itself as a place to pirate digital content even for those not using adblock. And the nature of the site can deter larger advertisers from using it. I'm not saying they made no money, but I doubt it would have been as lucrative as if those page views were dedicated to, say, www.wickerbaskets.com…

They don't have any shortage of advertisers so there is obviously demand for the space = companies paying for it. There are also piracy-complementary services that seem to be popular in the ads like VPN and privacy stuff, seed boxes, torrent clients etc that people do pay for.

I really don't think "shortage of advertisers" matters, you can sign up for a Juicy Ads[1] account and place those pop unders and CPM ads on my programming blog if I want, I don't have to communicate with the advertisers I just use an ad platform.

[1] http://www.juicyads.com/

Re: Pirate Bay Founder Peter Sunde Released from Prison

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It's pretty rich that almost this entire thread is arguing about the prison not respecting Sunde's vegan wishes and his personal wealth and ideals. There are more than ninety comments here and all of them hang off nearly-dead comments. The entire point of prison is to suck, otherwise it wouldn't serve its role, which is to deter crime. Louis CK has a bit about this in one of his recent specials: ...but we really need…

Kind of annoying when people who don't sound as if they comprehend or care-to-comprehend about the complexity of capital punishment have a really hard line opinion about it. Your citation of Louis CK aside.

Is treating someone inhumanely for years going to make them actually behave like humans when they are released? Is it actually better for society to do it? America has some extreme examples of bad conditions.

Re: Pirate Bay Founder Peter Sunde Released from Prison

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post #144

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Murder has always been illegal, in every society, throughout history. Nevertheless murder rates vary widely from one society to another. So no, "the law against murder is the number one thing preventing murder". There is much more to it.

Yes, but stealing usually had a much harsher punishment.

I'd argue that murder is on the extreme end of stealing.

Re: Pirate Bay Founder Peter Sunde Released from Prison

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>There was no concern for his vegan diet I can't be the only one that thinks it's ridiculous for a prison to accommodate voluntary diets like this.

No you're certainly not alone, however the vast majority of prison systems have very high recidivism rates.

You have to ask yourself whether you want prisons to punish people or to get them to not commit crimes in the future, if your goal is to punish people, then sure, feed them the opposite of their preferred diet.

If your goal is to change their behaviour then the breaking of bread can be instrumental in creating change. By showing respect for their culture you can begin to bridge the gap and help them respect yours.

Re: Pirate Bay Founder Peter Sunde Released from Prison

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It's pretty rich that almost this entire thread is arguing about the prison not respecting Sunde's vegan wishes and his personal wealth and ideals. There are more than ninety comments here and all of them hang off nearly-dead comments. The entire point of prison is to suck, otherwise it wouldn't serve its role, which is to deter crime. Louis CK has a bit about this in one of his recent specials: ...but we really need…

Kind of annoying when people who don't sound as if they comprehend or care-to-comprehend about the complexity of capital punishment have a really hard line opinion about it. Your citation of Louis CK aside. Is treating someone inhumanely for years going to make them actually behave like humans when they are released? Is it actually better for society to do it? America has some extreme examples of bad conditions.

Who is talking about capital punishment? I'm pretty sure the point of the thread was incarceration, and even then I'm not actually offering my opinion on the efficacy thereof, only pointing out that the picture is far simpler than most people who have not been there believe.

Re: Pirate Bay Founder Peter Sunde Released from Prison

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It's pretty rich that almost this entire thread is arguing about the prison not respecting Sunde's vegan wishes and his personal wealth and ideals. There are more than ninety comments here and all of them hang off nearly-dead comments. The entire point of prison is to suck, otherwise it wouldn't serve its role, which is to deter crime. Louis CK has a bit about this in one of his recent specials: ...but we really need…

> The entire point of prison is to suck, otherwise it wouldn't serve its role, which is to deter crime. Prison serves many purposes other than punishment - one of which is rehabilitation. Making someone's life miserable for several years, purely to punish them, does nothing in the long-run - hence why re-offending rates can be so high.

Two orthogonal factors undermine your observation: (1) the prison system is drifting toward private, for-profit prisons, and rehabilitating offenders incarcerated therein would be damaging to the long-term profits of the institution, and (2) believe it or not, a significant number of inmates in the American system do not want to be rehabilitated, which is directly linked to various external factors.

It's easy for those outside America to put the United States Criminal Justice System in a vacuum -- it's happening all over this thread and it's honestly ridiculous -- and try to explain to Americans that strategy A doesn't work because recidivism B, and country C actually tries strategy D so America should implement strategy E, but the fact is that the American justice system reflects a lot of other problems in the United States that need to be addressed. Key among those is a significantly substandard education compared to other parts of the world, especially the oft-cited Scandinavian countries for the purposes of this discussion.

It is my personal experience that rehabilitation in an incarceration setting only works in the majority if the criminal has some kind of education and desire for a better life. Those citing Norway's prisons, have you ever considered that education is better in Norway and most folks don't break bad by default? Norway has the 7th best education in the world. The United States is much further down the list.

Even in minimum, the majority of the people I was in with did not especially mind being there nor look at it as a serious event. "Oh, I got arrested for check fraud again, can't wait to get out and go back to selling meth, much less risky income." To most people I talked to, it was an inconvenience and mild disruption from their life of crime. The hardest of the hard criminals want to be in prison because they can actually have power in several systems run from prison, including an entire infrastructure of gangs.

To be quite honest, I think pointing at American prisons and saying "your job is to rehabilitate" is a nice, ivory tower sort of feel-good explainer for sending people to prison, but the fact is going to prison in the United States is a complete life-ender for "doing good" in almost every case. My felony just fell off my record and even in this industry, I was nearly unemployable -- my conviction wasn't even computer-related, but most people pull a report and see "felony" and discard the entire candidate. Prison is only a portion of the consequences for committing a crime.

Regardless of how you might feel criminal justice should happen, right now in the United States the policy is one of deterrence. Your life is pretty great until you pick up a felony, then you'll spend the rest of your life trying to undo the damage. And, to be honest, I can understand the logic there: your government has an implicit contract with you that the liberties offered and protected by the United States are yours as long as you don't do any of these hundreds of crimes, and once you do, the contract is void. I can understand the thinking that brought us there. I also don't think the failure thereof is necessarily the fault of the system, as criminal rehabilitation absolutely cannot exist in a vacuum of policy. Life isn't SimCity. You can't tweak a "prison life quality" slider and magically fix recidivism. There are other external inputs into that equation and any discussion thereof must include the whole picture.

Re: Pirate Bay Founder Peter Sunde Released from Prison

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post #135
post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Although Sunde did not provide Ars with specific financial details regarding The Pirate Bay's operational expenses, he did argue that the site's high bandwidth, power, and hardware costs eliminate the potential for profit. The Pirate Bay, he says, may ultimately be operating at a loss. Source: http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2008/02/pirate-bay-big-re...

I don't believe any of this, they have a very optimized website that only serves text and ads. Even one small server could handle the traffic.

Don't forget it has a comments system and tracks the peers of 6 million torrents.

Re: Pirate Bay Founder Peter Sunde Released from Prison

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It's pretty rich that almost this entire thread is arguing about the prison not respecting Sunde's vegan wishes and his personal wealth and ideals. There are more than ninety comments here and all of them hang off nearly-dead comments. The entire point of prison is to suck, otherwise it wouldn't serve its role, which is to deter crime. Louis CK has a bit about this in one of his recent specials: ...but we really need…

Prisons aren't punishment and retribution factories.

I also like that you get on your soap box about being detained as if that justifies your shitty opinion.

Having been through the system as well, I am amazed that you'd come to that conclusion after experiencing it first hand.

How can you visit a place where rights and common sense don't matter and then turn around and justify how it operates?

How long were you detained? For what crime?

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