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Pirate Bay Founder Peter Sunde Released from Prison
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Re: Pirate Bay Founder Peter Sunde Released from Prison
#142It's pretty rich that almost this entire thread is arguing about the prison not respecting Sunde's vegan wishes and his personal wealth and ideals. There are more than ninety comments here and all of them hang off nearly-dead comments. The entire point of prison is to suck, otherwise it wouldn't serve its role, which is to deter crime. Louis CK has a bit about this in one of his recent specials: ...but we really need…
But he didn't go to a maximum security prison at all, infact he was at Västervik a "säkerhetsklass 2" prison. [2]
"Säkerhetsklass 1" would be a maximum security prison, class 3 is the lowest class and those don't even have walls meaning that a class 2 would essentially be a "vanilla" prison.[1]
[1]:http://www.kriminalvarden.se/fangelse-frivard-och-hakte/fang...
[2]:http://www.kriminalvarden.se/hitta-och-kontakta/verksamhet/a...
Re: Pirate Bay Founder Peter Sunde Released from Prison
#143It's pretty rich that almost this entire thread is arguing about the prison not respecting Sunde's vegan wishes and his personal wealth and ideals. There are more than ninety comments here and all of them hang off nearly-dead comments. The entire point of prison is to suck, otherwise it wouldn't serve its role, which is to deter crime. Louis CK has a bit about this in one of his recent specials: ...but we really need…
I dont think the role of prison is to suck. The idea of justice has three components retribution, deterrence and prevention. As a society it is of paramount importance how we define these three components and the fact that we adhere to those definitions. If it has to suck, it has to be defined apriori to what extent it sucks.
In the US, the prevailing strategy of prisons for handling all 3 aspects is to make getting caught so shitty and destructive for the person involved that people don't do things that would lead them there.
You can, of course, view any number of metrics to identify how well this is "working".
Re: Pirate Bay Founder Peter Sunde Released from Prison
#144It's pretty rich that almost this entire thread is arguing about the prison not respecting Sunde's vegan wishes and his personal wealth and ideals. There are more than ninety comments here and all of them hang off nearly-dead comments. The entire point of prison is to suck, otherwise it wouldn't serve its role, which is to deter crime. Louis CK has a bit about this in one of his recent specials: ...but we really need…
Murder has always been illegal, in every society, throughout history. Nevertheless murder rates vary widely from one society to another. So no, "the law against murder is the number one thing preventing murder". There is much more to it.
Re: Pirate Bay Founder Peter Sunde Released from Prison
#145Earlier quoted context omitted.
That's all their claims. They were not able to show that they were losing or making money in court. There were no records, at all. However, they would have to been incredibly incompetent not to make millions off the advertisment, based on their amount of traffic. This was key in the procedings. I mean.. right now thepiratebay.se is at top 90 in the alexa ranking. More traffic than e.g. nytimes.com, ebay.co.uk, redtub…
The issue is the provenance of the ads, there's way more ad publisher interested in nytimes, ebay, etc... it's even worse when you consider that people that surf piratebay probably use an ad blocker or won't be interested to buy any product. I have an hard time though to believe they would be losing money. How could they afford to keep it online at that scale if they had to use their own money.
Considering they have a ton of ads being served this line of thinking is very unlikely, as they are clearly attracting advertisers who are spending money.
Re: Pirate Bay Founder Peter Sunde Released from Prison
#146Earlier quoted context omitted.
I'm generally in favor of TPB, but " may be operating at a loss"? How the hell do you not know if your bottom line is going up or down? This sounds fishy to me.
I think when you're in that line of business, your entire infrastructure could be taken from you at any moment. That could make knowing your financials kind of difficult. Edit: Why the downvotes?
At a first approximation, your hosting costs are very obvious: you get a monthly invoice from your hosting provider. If you use multiple providers, add them up. If you use a CDN, add that in too. Very simple. Whether or not your infrastructure will be seized changes nothing about the fact that they are receiving regular invoices for the services they consume.
Revenues are similarly easy to calculate: add up all the payments received by whatever ad networks, affiliate programs, partnerships, and so on they use. Some may pay weekly, some monthly, some quarterly... whatever. But it should be trivial to add these up over the course of a 3 month, 6 month, or 1 year period.
Any competent 10 year old should be able to take the revenue and expense information and calculate a net profit or loss. Barring that, anybody in the same position should at the very least be able to consider whether the statement "I regularly dip into my personal savings to pay for the site's operations" rings true for them or if they never had to do that. If the revenue and expenses were co-mingled with their personal bank accounts, it should be easy to separate out other sources of revenue and look at income vs. expense from site operations.
Re: Pirate Bay Founder Peter Sunde Released from Prison
#147It's pretty rich that almost this entire thread is arguing about the prison not respecting Sunde's vegan wishes and his personal wealth and ideals. There are more than ninety comments here and all of them hang off nearly-dead comments. The entire point of prison is to suck, otherwise it wouldn't serve its role, which is to deter crime. Louis CK has a bit about this in one of his recent specials: ...but we really need…
Murder has always been illegal, in every society, throughout history. Nevertheless murder rates vary widely from one society to another. So no, "the law against murder is the number one thing preventing murder". There is much more to it.
Yes, but stealing usually had a much harsher punishment.
Re: Pirate Bay Founder Peter Sunde Released from Prison
#148It's pretty rich that almost this entire thread is arguing about the prison not respecting Sunde's vegan wishes and his personal wealth and ideals. There are more than ninety comments here and all of them hang off nearly-dead comments. The entire point of prison is to suck, otherwise it wouldn't serve its role, which is to deter crime. Louis CK has a bit about this in one of his recent specials: ...but we really need…
I strongly reject Louis CK's assessment. I don't believe there has ever been anyone who has reconsidered murder because of the law. If anything the law protects the murderer - without it, retaliation would be far more appealing.
Re: Pirate Bay Founder Peter Sunde Released from Prison
#149Earlier quoted context omitted.
> It's still unelegant and inconsistent. If I claim my diet requires high-quality food determined by me daily, that gets ignored. Wardens are not robots and are capable of applying common sense and judgment. If a prisoner claims that his morals require him not to eat animal products, he's likely to be telling the truth. If he claims his morals require Kobe beef daily, he's probably lying.
Why is my claim that I must have Kobe beef (because I'm divine, and I say so) any less valid than the claim I can't eat pork because God said so?
Higher weight is given to mass delusions compared to acute delusions.
Re: Pirate Bay Founder Peter Sunde Released from Prison
#150It's pretty rich that almost this entire thread is arguing about the prison not respecting Sunde's vegan wishes and his personal wealth and ideals. There are more than ninety comments here and all of them hang off nearly-dead comments. The entire point of prison is to suck, otherwise it wouldn't serve its role, which is to deter crime. Louis CK has a bit about this in one of his recent specials: ...but we really need…
But he didn't go to a maximum security prison at all, infact he was at Västervik a "säkerhetsklass 2" prison. [2] "Säkerhetsklass 1" would be a maximum security prison, class 3 is the lowest class and those don't even have walls meaning that a class 2 would essentially be a "vanilla" prison.[1] [1]: http://www.kriminalvarden.se/fangelse-frivard-och-hakte/fang... [2]: http://www.kriminalvarden.se/hitta-och-kontakta/ve…
Furthermore, the prisons in the nordic countries are among the few in the world which actively do practice rehabilitation rather than just "suck", as OP expressed it. I believe that is the reason the vegan diet was brought up as a big deal - he was treated OK in most other regards, especially when considering how prisons work in other parts of the world. Take a look at this documentary: