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You completely misunderstood me. I'm not saying that you always drive yourself to misery wanting what you don't have , just that human happiness is often a very complicated thing, and not one that should be viewed first through the SV prism of "optimization". > if you know you're not going to enjoy it when you get it, you can simply stop wanting it. Actually, Daniel Kahneman has spent the last few decades showing tha…
You're optimizing the wrong thing if you're looking outside of the human mind. Change the behavior surrounding our desires and happiness and you solve many of these problems. You might say changing the way our minds work is very difficult, but surely it's easier than attempting to create an impossible utopia.
Against Productivity
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#72Earlier quoted context omitted.
If you're attempting to find a productive rhetorical truth in a piece about shedding productivity as a focus, you're missing the point. In fact, you're arguing that she should 1) be able to quantify happiness, 2) consider life-expectancy as a proxy for life quality, and 3) pursue optimizing life by quantifying and measuring it. I think you're missing many points. The whole idea—the wisdom, if you will—is that you los…
> And this is when you begin looking into Zen, and things become clearer and muddier at the same time [...] I hope you take this the right way, but this position is very California-ized pseudo-Zen. Many of the most well-regarded Zen practitioners and teachers very much would have savaged it, EX: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hakuin_Ekaku http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hakuin_Ekaku#Opposition_to_.22D... > "One of Hakuin'…
Before enlightenment: chop wood, carry water.
After enlightenment: chop wood, carry water.
-- Zen Proverb (allegedly, I have it from the internet)Re: Against Productivity
#73This is the major problem when you do things for reasons other then you love to do it. Stop trying to do whats "hip" and find your passion. A lot of the thoughts given in the article have the slight taste of the author wanting to do them because they are intellectual/trendy/response from society. Do what you love, simple as. Work will never feel like work again.
Don't. Don't go overboard with the passion thing. If your passion is origami, you are in for a very rough ride trying to live off selling folded paper on the street.
Find a balance. What's difficult is that life is not black and white, it's in shades of grey. Find something that the market needs and that you like doing. Not something that you absolutely love doing and that nobody ever wants, nor something that the market absolutely wants and that you loathe doing.
Virtue is found in the middle.
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#74This post is full of mistakes and unclear thinking. I can't figure out what the author is arguing against or for. Is she against quantifying wealth? I'm not sure. Is she against working hard? Maybe. Does she think it impossible to quantify happiness and well-being? I get the impression she does. First, the author made a huge mistake when talking about GDP. Her comparison used absolute instead of per-capita values. In…
Re: Against Productivity
#75Earlier quoted context omitted.
You're optimizing the wrong thing if you're looking outside of the human mind. Change the behavior surrounding our desires and happiness and you solve many of these problems. You might say changing the way our minds work is very difficult, but surely it's easier than attempting to create an impossible utopia.
But then we'd no longer be human...
I'll just throw the whole institution of "education" out there as an example.
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#76This post is full of mistakes and unclear thinking. I can't figure out what the author is arguing against or for. Is she against quantifying wealth? I'm not sure. Is she against working hard? Maybe. Does she think it impossible to quantify happiness and well-being? I get the impression she does. First, the author made a huge mistake when talking about GDP. Her comparison used absolute instead of per-capita values. In…
Chiefly, the author is arguing against productivity as an ends to itself, but also against the reduction of human endeavors down to more easily digestible quantities. In essence, against measuring out our lives with coffee spoons. The author also argues that time she had previously considered wasted ended up being more fruitful than the prevailing culture would have us believe possible. This is, I think, the importan…
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#77Even though some valuable ideas are expressed in this piece, there's a lot of conflation of highly distinct social phenomena that goes on. The author looks at the notion of "productivity", judges that people blindly rush from birth straight to the grave in the pursuit of being "productive", somehow lops that in with GDPs (not per capita, not at PPP?) and the weird way in which we have industrialized pleasure, and con…
"and concludes... what, exactly?" Use your own imagination.
The article is about how we over-analyze and over-optimize and look for a distinctly obvious purpose in everything in an effort to ensure productivity. I think it's funny that most of the comments here are doing exactly that with the article -- trying to analyze it, refute it, and determine the exact conclusion the author is trying to state. Should we stop being over-productive? Be less productive? Try to find balance? Maybe we should simply continue to pursue productivity, but at least understand what we're doing, rather than pursuing it blindly?
Honestly, it's probably some combination of the above -- and it's probably subjective and dependent on the reader. The author doesn't simply state the conclusion -- because there is no obvious conclusion to the article. It's just a bunch of observations that allow the reader to reach a conclusion him/herself.
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#78This post is full of mistakes and unclear thinking. I can't figure out what the author is arguing against or for. Is she against quantifying wealth? I'm not sure. Is she against working hard? Maybe. Does she think it impossible to quantify happiness and well-being? I get the impression she does. First, the author made a huge mistake when talking about GDP. Her comparison used absolute instead of per-capita values. In…
Note that the author partly justifies it by the writing she produced later, which wouldn't have happened without her "unproductive" time. Applied to programming, it seems to me the author is against measuring lines of code per day, and in favor of going for long walks and letting solutions pop into your head that don't require so much code. Or longer walks that cause you to realize the whole program is bunk and you o…
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#79Fantastic piece. I believe in similar things. Here, where I currently live, we spend so much time working and being productive that we forget to ask questions. "Why am I doing this?" "What is the meaning of it?" "What is really important?" Then we end up lost, depressed and what not. Not all of us do, but some? Certainly. We do it because others do it. Because we believe that pursuing a different venue is not realist…
Sometime I wonder about the "meaning of life", but the real question is "what is the purpose of civilization?". Cynics could argue that civilization is like a cancer, thus we should make sure civilization grows as fast and as big as possible to survive a cataclysm or to make sure one's country wins a future war. That's the only argument to have higher standards and incentives to be productive, just so that society ca…
Our current society conditions us to believe that there is something or someone who understands the systems we have build. (But as an engineer I might just live in my own little bubble)
The truth is that some systems, such as those based purely on physical principles, we actually understand quite well. This is because the physical systems are based on natural rules that are consistent to a high degree. Anyone who has modeled these knows its not easy, and you need to make assumptions, but at least it is difficult to find contradictions with laws of physics.
In contrast, the systems our society is based on today are largely build on more or less arbitrary rules. Even in theory, when you start adding arbitrary rules to a system it becomes very hard to reason about very fast. You can measure it and try to predict how changing the parameters affects the state of the system (according to the measure). But it is very easy to find contradictions.
By enforcing these arbitrary rules (such as rules controlling the global economy), the consequences of which we are wholly unable to understand, we have managed to build a system where success is measured according to arbitrary measures. Over time we have got used to respect people who are particularly good at playing by the rules and/or randomly manage to optimize the things those measures value. To put it other way, the rules, at least when broadly enforced, induce inequality (if we assume that everyone has different attributes).
The scary thing is that the system is so complex (and nowadays global) that we have totally lost track (and responsibility) of the consequences of our actions. Nowadays, it is in most cases a completely meaningless clause when someone says e.g. "We respect human rights.".
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But then we'd no longer be human...
An extremely common misconception. Human nature does not mean that our behavior is permanent, set in stone, fixed. Our biological bugs are not our humanity, nor are our biological advantages. We are quite greater than our biology, and we've proven again and again that we are capable of improving upon it. I'll just throw the whole institution of "education" out there as an example.