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Mark Zuckerberg: The evolution of a remarkable CEO

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Re: Mark Zuckerberg: The evolution of a remarkable CEO

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I agree. But that was really dismissive. The only other billionaire I have met, was a lot nicer in public, even to people that he didn't know. But he also is alot older though.

Mark has a reputation for superb arrogance. Have you read the leaked emails he sent to the ConnectU people? They basically read, "It doesn't matter what you wanted, I have a better idea than you, and I won't waste my time trying to make you feel good about yourself." I actually recently interviewed a bestselling author in the middle of promoting his new movie, and he acted the same way. Perhaps I'm in the minority of…

I used to think exactly like you but I've changed my mind now. I think there's a world of difference between being a jerk and being rude and telling people the truth. Or rather, one doesn't have to be a jerk to call people out on their BS.

For example, Don Box (of SOAP, XML, etc fame) is the nicest guy you can meet. And he is super nice even when he is shredding people's arguments and seeing through their BS.

I have no idea how Zuckerberg is in person though and wouldn't judge him from articles. But in general, there is no reason to be unpleasant just to be brutally honest.

Re: Mark Zuckerberg: The evolution of a remarkable CEO

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Every employee is rated on a scale from 1 to 5, with five being the highest. No one gets a five. If you get a 1 or a 2, you’re quickly shown the door. Related to that are the steady departures of early founders and executives. Two of them, Adam D’Angelo and Dustin Moskovitz, were Zuckerberg’s high-school and college friends, respectively. They weren’t forced out, but they burned out or realized they weren’t right for…

So you're saying that "they weren't right for their jobs" is wrong. What about the "burned out" part? What do you know about why they left? Did they just move on the more interesting things, like so many startup people do?

Genuinely curious here, as I don't know, or know much about, any of the people involved.

Re: Mark Zuckerberg: The evolution of a remarkable CEO

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oh please, it's facebook, not Google, their "cool" projects involve translating the site into pirate and latin languages. + with ~1000 employees, chances are you as a programmer are most likely doing mundane crap. The "extremely smart and focused" people don't take well to having to do bullshit projects.

I can imagine infrastructure alone would be a lifetime of awesome projects at FB.

or maybe... more like lifetime of a nightmare

Re: Mark Zuckerberg: The evolution of a remarkable CEO

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sounds like a slave driver environment, if you ask me. It can't be good for morale, having people rotate through the company every month.

It depends on whose morale. I would love to work at a place that made an effort to place only brilliant people around me and that didn't tolerate less. Netflix works in the same way.

The question is, would you love it when they asked you to leave because you're not brilliant enough?

Re: Mark Zuckerberg: The evolution of a remarkable CEO

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Mark has a reputation for superb arrogance. Have you read the leaked emails he sent to the ConnectU people? They basically read, "It doesn't matter what you wanted, I have a better idea than you, and I won't waste my time trying to make you feel good about yourself." I actually recently interviewed a bestselling author in the middle of promoting his new movie, and he acted the same way. Perhaps I'm in the minority of…

I used to think exactly like you but I've changed my mind now. I think there's a world of difference between being a jerk and being rude and telling people the truth. Or rather, one doesn't have to be a jerk to call people out on their BS. For example, Don Box (of SOAP, XML, etc fame) is the nicest guy you can meet. And he is super nice even when he is shredding people's arguments and seeing through their BS. I have…

I agree with you. (I've moved past loving Ayn Rand and her cult of assholery, rest assured.) At the same time, I don't necessarily mind rude people as long as it's not excessive or dull. I respect people capable of being both forceful and polite something incredible, though, and have been making an effort to learn how to be the same.

Re: Mark Zuckerberg: The evolution of a remarkable CEO

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It depends on whose morale. I would love to work at a place that made an effort to place only brilliant people around me and that didn't tolerate less. Netflix works in the same way.

The question is, would you love it when they asked you to leave because you're not brilliant enough?

I wouldn't intend to work there and let myself be kicked out.

Re: Mark Zuckerberg: The evolution of a remarkable CEO

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Every employee is rated on a scale from 1 to 5, with five being the highest. No one gets a five. If you get a 1 or a 2, you’re quickly shown the door. Related to that are the steady departures of early founders and executives. Two of them, Adam D’Angelo and Dustin Moskovitz, were Zuckerberg’s high-school and college friends, respectively. They weren’t forced out, but they burned out or realized they weren’t right for…

Funnily enough, Enron had the same system where if you scored towards the bottom you were quickly shown the door. http://www.time.com/time/business/article/0,8599,129988,00.h... Of course, most big companies have a employing rating system, but Enron was different because 10-15 % people were asked to leave every year.

I'm pretty skeptical of the idea that harshly competitive environments have their value systems straight, but it bears mentioning that at Enron traders and deal makers were on the evaluation boards for the risk assessment group.

Re: Mark Zuckerberg: The evolution of a remarkable CEO

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"That’s reflected by Zuckerberg’s efforts to motivate each person according to what gets them excited: For engineers, that means giving them the best product to build, but for business executives, it means big financial incentives." Do engineers just need interesting technical problems to remain happy? If the engineers were motivated by big financial incentives, would they get them?

"Do engineers just need interesting technical problems to remain happy?"

I landed a programming gig working on robotics projects, and working on interesting problems makes up for a world of sins :)

Re: Mark Zuckerberg: The evolution of a remarkable CEO

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The question is, would you love it when they asked you to leave because you're not brilliant enough?

I wouldn't intend to work there and let myself be kicked out.

Neither did the employees who got kicked out, but it isn't entirely within their or your control. You may simply lack the ability to stay out of the lowest performance bracket.

Re: Mark Zuckerberg: The evolution of a remarkable CEO

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it is nothing like a "slave driver" environment. People are extremely smart and focused on building cool things fast - top to bottom.

oh please, it's facebook, not Google, their "cool" projects involve translating the site into pirate and latin languages. + with ~1000 employees, chances are you as a programmer are most likely doing mundane crap. The "extremely smart and focused" people don't take well to having to do bullshit projects.

Hey, Google is also translated into pirate and latin!

http://www.google.com/intl/xx-pirate/

http://www.google.com/intl/la/

We have Klingon too -

http://www.google.com/intl/xx-klingon/

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