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Mark Zuckerberg: The evolution of a remarkable CEO

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Re: Mark Zuckerberg: The evolution of a remarkable CEO

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"""Zuckerberg insisted the goal was easily attainable. He took regular breaks throughout the day to do 10-15 pushups, even if he was in the middle of a meeting with visitors. He completed the 5,000.""" 5000 push-ups, one week = 715/day assuming 7 day week. That means 48 breaks per day of 15 push-ups. So assuming 12 hour days, 4 breaks per hour. So every 15 minutes he did 15 push-ups for a week?

So people had come to visit Facebook, and Zuckerberg would make them wait while he did pushups?

Re: Mark Zuckerberg: The evolution of a remarkable CEO

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It depends on whose morale. I would love to work at a place that made an effort to place only brilliant people around me and that didn't tolerate less. Netflix works in the same way.

I agree. But if the guy next to you, working the same stuff as you, is paper worth 5mill more just b.c he started there 6 months earlier than you, then the equation changes.

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Re: Mark Zuckerberg: The evolution of a remarkable CEO

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It depends on whose morale. I would love to work at a place that made an effort to place only brilliant people around me and that didn't tolerate less. Netflix works in the same way.

I agree. But if the guy next to you, working the same stuff as you, is paper worth 5mill more just b.c he started there 6 months earlier than you, then the equation changes.

Well, you did not have to say yes to the job offer in the first place. Or next time join early.

Re: Mark Zuckerberg: The evolution of a remarkable CEO

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After all the negative press constantly surrounding Zuckerberg, it's refreshing to hear something positive for once. And, as always, it's inspiring to see evidence that tech founders can potentially be great CEOs. I think the real value of this article is the info on Facebook's internal policies, though. Ranking people based on relative performance? Relentlessly replacing lack-luster employees? A focus on providing i…

I once heard Enron used a similar strategy, although I can't recall the source. They would annually cut their most "unproductive" employees. It turned out that those who remained knew how to work the system and to win at any cost. Hopefully Facebook will fare better.

A lot of places do/did this. IBM sales reps were subject to the 70-20-10 principle. 70% of people are average, 20% are above average and get bonuses and 10% are below average and are fired. It was brutal for morale and hurt productivity in a lot of ways.

Re: Mark Zuckerberg: The evolution of a remarkable CEO

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it is nothing like a "slave driver" environment. People are extremely smart and focused on building cool things fast - top to bottom.

oh please, it's facebook, not Google, their "cool" projects involve translating the site into pirate and latin languages. + with ~1000 employees, chances are you as a programmer are most likely doing mundane crap. The "extremely smart and focused" people don't take well to having to do bullshit projects.

With the number of users facebook has, there is no room for shoveling crap in the business model. Everything has to be done efficiently and with focus. The cool projects (according to me anyway) are dealing with the scale and the constant evolution of the site.

Re: Mark Zuckerberg: The evolution of a remarkable CEO

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After all the negative press constantly surrounding Zuckerberg, it's refreshing to hear something positive for once. And, as always, it's inspiring to see evidence that tech founders can potentially be great CEOs. I think the real value of this article is the info on Facebook's internal policies, though. Ranking people based on relative performance? Relentlessly replacing lack-luster employees? A focus on providing i…

Maybe. These policies can be a double-edged sword. It really depends upon how they are implemented. Most of the ranking systems - and it sounds like Facebook's - rely on the immediate manager to do the ranking and the manager has a lot of leverage. It can become arbitrary. It can often come down to how much your manager likes you (outside of your productivity) or managers protecting turf. Enron had a system like this for dishing out bonuses and it boiled down to nonstop political battles to get better ratings.

Re: Mark Zuckerberg: The evolution of a remarkable CEO

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

it is nothing like a "slave driver" environment. People are extremely smart and focused on building cool things fast - top to bottom.

oh please, it's facebook, not Google, their "cool" projects involve translating the site into pirate and latin languages. + with ~1000 employees, chances are you as a programmer are most likely doing mundane crap. The "extremely smart and focused" people don't take well to having to do bullshit projects.

There's a lot wrong with this statement, so I'll address the thing that sounds the least wrong.

Have you seen how in-depth the translations on Facebook are? I used Facebook Pirate for three or four months because I was so delighted at how many variable phrases they introduced regarding every small item on the page. It was as thorough a translation as I've ever seen online. (As an unrelated aside, Facebook supports the Konami code, which makes it the most mainstream geek site on the planet, and their Konami code triggers something wholly unexpected and hilarious.)

I don't know Facebook's employee breakdown, but remember that Facebook offers multiple products, each of which is a fairly complex offering. I can see their Photo app being worthy of a large interesting team; ditto Events, Notes, Video, their link sharing, their search (and doing search for Facebook sounds much more interesting than doing search for Google, because you get to play with so many concrete variables), their public pages offering, their iPhone application, and who knows what else they're cooking up. They've also got a unique graphic style that I'm sure a handful of people work on, and there's the usual stuff of marketing and advertising that's fun no matter where it is.

It doesn't seem completely insane to me that working for Facebook might be really fun, even as a grunt. Unlike Google, which always sounds like working there is 90% backend, Facebook has a lot of stuff that's immediately noticed by its users. It's one of the few big companies that I'd actively like to work for after graduation.

Re: Mark Zuckerberg: The evolution of a remarkable CEO

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post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

it is nothing like a "slave driver" environment. People are extremely smart and focused on building cool things fast - top to bottom.

oh please, it's facebook, not Google, their "cool" projects involve translating the site into pirate and latin languages. + with ~1000 employees, chances are you as a programmer are most likely doing mundane crap. The "extremely smart and focused" people don't take well to having to do bullshit projects.

Whereas Google's "cool" projects involve, umm, finding new things to insert ads into.

With 20,000 engineers now, Google is as "cool" as HP or IBM.

Re: Mark Zuckerberg: The evolution of a remarkable CEO

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This was a great article. Zuckerberg has the reputation for being a first class prima donna douche-nozzle, with his hired execs stepping in to do damage control and actually run the company. But what impressed me in the article was that it showed he wasn't the simple tyrant who accidentally hit a gold mine his reputation makes him out to be, but is thoughtfully (though ruthlessly) trying to adapt and run his company.…

I don't know about all that. But it appears he's trying to use the same logic on his own ideas that he uses on his people.

Re: Mark Zuckerberg: The evolution of a remarkable CEO

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post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I once heard Enron used a similar strategy, although I can't recall the source. They would annually cut their most "unproductive" employees. It turned out that those who remained knew how to work the system and to win at any cost. Hopefully Facebook will fare better.

A lot of places do/did this. IBM sales reps were subject to the 70-20-10 principle. 70% of people are average, 20% are above average and get bonuses and 10% are below average and are fired. It was brutal for morale and hurt productivity in a lot of ways.

How is this brutal on morale? In fact, how is this not what goes on at every company of IBM's size?

The reality is a company the size of IBM is always going to have a turnover of 10% or more so the "lower 10% rule" is just a way of getting rid of those people who can't do the job. The 70% might feel a little demoralized but if they're good employees they'll use that to make themselves better. The upper 20% are the best of the best and deserve to be treated as such.

So to me the 70-20-10 principle just seems like IBM being honest with employees about where they stand and giving them a chance to recognize it and do better if they so choose (some people are happy with average).

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