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The Best Investment Advice You'll Never Get (2008)

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Re: The Best Investment Advice You'll Never Get (2008)

#81

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Or you could, uh, buy Berkshire Hathaway...

At 214k a single stock, that doesnt seem very attainable.

there is a "b" class of berkshire hathaway shares that track almost identically with the "a" class that cost $214k:

https://www.google.com/finance?cid=9614464

the b shares are currently selling for $143/share

Re: The Best Investment Advice You'll Never Get (2008)

#82

I think the key to picking individual stocks is the ability to evaluate companies in both a financial/quantitative and qualitative manner. This is easier said than done. But by no means impossible. Even Warren Buffett has said multiple times that if one has the skill to evaluate companies than they should pick individual companies and not choose an index fund because they will do far better with picking individual st…

I have a very bright friend who works for a hedge fund. He's a Stanford engineering grad with an MBA from a top 10 school, and he had considerable success in his engineering career before shifting to finance several years ago. He spends most of his waking life analyzing about six medtech companies. That's right, only six. One might assume that he knows a few things about each company. And yet, whenever he recommends…

I don't know your friend so I can't say why he's right/wrong 50% of the time. But I'd say that's pretty typical with analysts in the financial industry. It's really tough to blend quantitative and qualitative analysis together, but IMO this is a requirement to make consistently good investment choices. I think this is the secret behind Warren Buffett. Most of Wall Street though tends to focus on the quantitative (and only a few quarters out) and they tend to be highly influenced by each other, trends and sentiment.

Again, I generally agree with the advice of going with low-cost index funds for the vast majority of people. However, I do think that there are some people (albeit not many) with the right background, skills, training and commitment who can consistently beat the markets (ie., this was the thesis of Peter Lynch's book Beating the Street).

Re: The Best Investment Advice You'll Never Get (2008)

#83
I don't think you should try to become a 'professional full time investor' and put everything in index funds until you reach the ratio of funds that would significantly beat your current salary, compared to the average returns of an index market portfolio.

Lets assume the average return is %5, so if you make $200k/yr annually in your engineering craft, then you would need $4 million minimum to match the market for your salary, and probably at least $6 million before you would consider switching your career to 'managing your own money'.

Re: The Best Investment Advice You'll Never Get (2008)

#84

I think the key to picking individual stocks is the ability to evaluate companies in both a financial/quantitative and qualitative manner. This is easier said than done. But by no means impossible. Even Warren Buffett has said multiple times that if one has the skill to evaluate companies than they should pick individual companies and not choose an index fund because they will do far better with picking individual st…

I have a very bright friend who works for a hedge fund. He's a Stanford engineering grad with an MBA from a top 10 school, and he had considerable success in his engineering career before shifting to finance several years ago. He spends most of his waking life analyzing about six medtech companies. That's right, only six. One might assume that he knows a few things about each company. And yet, whenever he recommends…

I'm totally with you on personally sticking with indexed funds, but, out of a sense of charity, could it not be the case that the average cost of your friend's failures is lower than the average returns on his successes, so that he is still getting above average overall returns?

I guess I just feel bad for him :-|.

Re: The Best Investment Advice You'll Never Get (2008)

#85
The main point of the article - that most mutual funds underperform the index funds is so widely known by now that I'm surprised to see it reposted here in 2014.

"The high failure rate should come as no surprise, given how hedge funds operate. There’s no working model, so they vary widely, but the basic idea is that they rely on risky, untraditional investment strategies—ranging from arbitrage to taking over floundering companies, as Lampert did—to make big money fast. "

No, that's not the basic idea at all. And untraditional doesn't have to mean risky (a market-neutral strategy is an example).

Re: The Best Investment Advice You'll Never Get (2008)

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post #83

I don't think you should try to become a 'professional full time investor' and put everything in index funds until you reach the ratio of funds that would significantly beat your current salary, compared to the average returns of an index market portfolio. Lets assume the average return is %5, so if you make $200k/yr annually in your engineering craft, then you would need $4 million minimum to match the market for yo…

Your numbers are off:

- average long-term return on the stock market is 8-12%

- full-time wealth management means no more tech job, means no need to live in the bay area, means $100k p.a. nets you a comfortable lifestyle

You're looking at $1-1.5MM before retiring to the quiet life.

Re: The Best Investment Advice You'll Never Get (2008)

#87

It's really hard to do MPT on your own. I got really into finding a collection of 10-12 mutual funds that are in a collection of sectors. I also mixed it with a strategy of selling each fund when it went below its 12-month moving average, and buying back in when it went above. I backtested it a bit and read some studies and it seemed reasonable. Sacrifice a little upside to protect against more downside. It sure woul…

Actually, it has been accounted for in the studies. See: http://www.stlouisfed.org/on-the-economy/the-cost-of-chasing...

Re: The Best Investment Advice You'll Never Get (2008)

#89

Earlier quoted context omitted.

At a minimum you should get a "fee only" adviser who has a fiduciary duty to you. You can still get bad advice, but at least you won't get corrupt advice.

I have seen very corrupt fee only estate planning advisors. This is unfortunately still not fool proof.

Can you please explain how one of the corrupt fee only advisors situations worked?

Re: The Best Investment Advice You'll Never Get (2008)

#90
Buying the index is the orthodoxy. There isn't a strategy that I've heard more often from non-industry friends.

It's so orthodox even relatively straightforward ways of beating the index are largely ignored. Look up Falkenblog. He's got a thesis about it.

If I didn't run a hedge fund, I don't know what I'd do differently though. Costs are pretty high on individual accounts. One thing you can do is invest via spread betting, which is tax free in the uk. Also the sheer a mount of infrastructure, both in terms of financial data, modelling, and the systems used to execute strategies, makes it a bigger job than one person can do.

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