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Re: Variable Cost Living Sadly Doesn't Work

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When you read this, keep in mind I work at Airbnb :) I think this failed because it was so contrived. Here is a more realistic and reproducible example of how my girlfriend is living variably in NYC. She currently has a lease in Brooklyn for about $900 / month but doesn't need to be there all the time. This weekend she will be house-sitting in NJ, next week she is visiting me in SF for a week, and in December she pla…

her roommates are okay with people using a room as a hotel?

Re: Variable Cost Living Sadly Doesn't Work

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post #4

When you read this, keep in mind I work at Airbnb :) I think this failed because it was so contrived. Here is a more realistic and reproducible example of how my girlfriend is living variably in NYC. She currently has a lease in Brooklyn for about $900 / month but doesn't need to be there all the time. This weekend she will be house-sitting in NJ, next week she is visiting me in SF for a week, and in December she pla…

her roommates are okay with people using a room as a hotel?

It's definitely a point of contention, but one that can be solved easily by paying for utilities for a month & buying a 6-pack or two.

Re: Variable Cost Living Sadly Doesn't Work

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I really like the concept and I'm glad someone managed to try it out. I also immediately thought of Airbnb (good job on ramming your brand into my brain guys!), but there seems to be something missing that even Airbnb doesn't quite cover: standardisation, perhaps?

If you're extending the parallel to cloud storage, sure, you can spin up and spin down as required - but you (generally) stay within the same provider to do so. So you know what your costs are going to be, you know what's available, you trust it to be there when needed, and so on.

When it comes to living, everyone's their own provider. As the OP found out, people have stupid bills; people change their schedules; people can be fundamentally dishonest toward strangers; people aren't a consistent platform. It's peer-to-peer, so it's like - instead of using Amazon to run your website, and spinning up instances, you're relying on Joe Bloggs's spare server space in Watford. What if Joe Bloggs changes his mind?

Would a solution look like a compromise between the standardisation of hotel chains and the flexibility of crowdsourced space? Perhaps. You'd need a trusted third party who could guarantee stuff. Guarantee that the living space is fairly represented and scale costs depending on facilities and features (location being a feature) - just as you pay more for 2 CPUs in the cloud, you pay more for 2 bedrooms on the earth. Guarantee that the overhead costs are totally consistent, broadband, cleaning, etc. Guarantee that if someone changes their mind you still have somewhere to stay the night. And, you know, that's starting to look an awful lot like an aparthotel chain.

I guess the difference is you could have one mega 'cloud' landlord who, instead of building custom aparthotel buildings, leases apartments from private landlords. The cloud-landlord sorts out checkin and checkout cleaning, services, etc; it's kinda a distributed aparthotel. Hell, it's starting to look a lot like the way some universities do accommodation now. Is it a step beyond Airbnb's self-managed approach? Yes. Would it allow variable cost living? Yes. Would it work as a business? Nobody's done it yet, so who knows. I'd guess not, though. Costs and overheads and stuff.

Re: Variable Cost Living Sadly Doesn't Work

#16
I don't see how you arrive at the conclusion. So the facilities are not there. That doesn't prove anything. One time, there were only mainframes, and "home computers sadly didn't work".

I'd like to see some innovation by architects, for stuffless living. Since almost all of my personal things fit into a computer in the future, living space could be a lot more generic.

Re: Variable Cost Living Sadly Doesn't Work

#17

I thought that was a very interesting experiment, but I thought of it more of a proof of concept rather than a "I wish this could work for everyone". The thing that will ultimately make something like this impractical is the emotional attachment to the places that we live. It's likely the same reason that you wouldn't want to live in hotels year round... at least not for your whole life (if you're a contractor you mi…

Like tsetrich, I also thought it was an interesting experiment. But I agree there is a lot of evidence that most people don't want to live that way. Even in countries in Europe where the rate of homeownership is very low compared to the US, and renting is the dominant social norm even for families earning a good wage, people are still mostly immobile, with a decade in a particular property not at all uncommon.

Still, it would be nice for a while.

Re: Variable Cost Living Sadly Doesn't Work

#18
Another reason moving around a lot is always going to be a painful because your address, you being known to be available at a location, is important for legal and financial purposes for lots of service suppliers. Any kind of ongoing transaction will be made difficult by history of moving around a lot.

Re: Variable Cost Living Sadly Doesn't Work

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post #16

I don't see how you arrive at the conclusion. So the facilities are not there. That doesn't prove anything. One time, there were only mainframes, and "home computers sadly didn't work". I'd like to see some innovation by architects, for stuffless living. Since almost all of my personal things fit into a computer in the future, living space could be a lot more generic.

"Since almost all of my personal things fit into a computer in the future, living space could be a lot more generic."

To me that's a truly dystopian future. I'd rather my skis, surfboard, bike, kites, hiking boots, etc were not virtual.

Re: Variable Cost Living Sadly Doesn't Work

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

her roommates are okay with people using a room as a hotel?

It's definitely a point of contention, but one that can be solved easily by paying for utilities for a month & buying a 6-pack or two.

Maybe with her roommates, but that would never fly with me.
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