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Always on. Connected to the cloud. In a recent talk Bruce Schneier called our times the golden age of surveillance.

Privacy is possibly becoming a generation gap issue; throw enough of these against the wall and people will just stop caring until they can quantize a real world impact

People have already stopped caring at large.

Re: Amazon Echo

#112
When I read dystopic cyberpunk novels as a child, I did not expect them to become reality so soon. Also, why do all AI have to tell you about mount everest all the time?

Re: Amazon Echo

#113

Well that's an out-of-the-blue introduction. I'm increasingly unconvinced of the market for voice-driven devices (innate reluctance to talk when not to a person), but at a glance looks like this is as laudable an effort as can be attempted. At $199 it's too pricy for most, given the untested/unfamiliar niche. At $99 (select Prime members), some of is might give it a chance. I'm reminded that Apple started its move in…

your recollection of events is very different from mine - The iPhone was available months before the iPod touch. Apple started with an expensive device and removed functionality to make the entry level device. They did the same with the iPod - they started with the expensive version and then made the mini, the nano and the shuffle as entry level versions years later.

Re: Amazon Echo

#114

> With enhanced noise cancellation, Echo can hear you ask a question even while it's playing music. I read: "Our cloud servers can hear you, no matter what." It's a killer idea. It's too bad privacy concerns might lead it to an early grave.

I grow tired of this pathetic baseless fear mongering every single time anything is posted with voice control. You people completely ignore the mode of operation and start making idiotic claims about "well NSA!" In this case, as the website makes clear, you have to say the word "Alexa" for it to start listening. If you had been paying attention to the mobile scene even a little bit you'd know that this is on-chip lis…

baseless? did you miss out on how the NSA has been recording everything you've said and making deals with companies for gathering your information?

Re: Amazon Echo

#115

That was an incredibly painful video to watch, what's wrong with just demonstrating the product's features in home environments? Why do we need these ads that make it seem like this "is a real conversation happening in a family home".

Alexa also appears to have become self-mobile in the video.

Also at 1:10 it looks like Dad had a bet with the neighbor about the height of Mt. Everest.

I'm pretty sure at 3:33 his watch has the time set incorrectly. Maybe Echo could tell him how to do that?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I grow tired of this pathetic baseless fear mongering every single time anything is posted with voice control. You people completely ignore the mode of operation and start making idiotic claims about "well NSA!" In this case, as the website makes clear, you have to say the word "Alexa" for it to start listening. If you had been paying attention to the mobile scene even a little bit you'd know that this is on-chip lis…

> Nothing will be transmitted to the cloud unless it is the word "Alexa" You can't be certain that there's no way to activate it remotely without you knowing. Seven mikes in your lounge is an attractive nuisance.

> You can't be certain that there's no way to activate it remotely without you knowing.

Ditto with every electronic device with a microphone: Smartphones, tablets, laptops, home phones, bluetooth in your car, Microsoft's Kinect, baby monitors, etc.

And while we're on an NSA paranoia trip, let's also remember that if you bounce a laser off of one of your windows it will allow them to pick up sound from within, plus signal leakage via the electrical grid, and of course unless you're in a faraday cage tons of EM leakage from everything you use.

Re: Amazon Echo

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semi interesting. Now if this becomes part of a home ecosystem then it could significantly increase its value. Such as if i can talk to it and then my amazon drone goes and gets me some food, or even gets amazon fresh to bring me groceries.

Re: Amazon Echo

#119

> With enhanced noise cancellation, Echo can hear you ask a question even while it's playing music. I read: "Our cloud servers can hear you, no matter what." It's a killer idea. It's too bad privacy concerns might lead it to an early grave.

I grow tired of this pathetic baseless fear mongering every single time anything is posted with voice control. You people completely ignore the mode of operation and start making idiotic claims about "well NSA!" In this case, as the website makes clear, you have to say the word "Alexa" for it to start listening. If you had been paying attention to the mobile scene even a little bit you'd know that this is on-chip lis…

You people completely ignore the mode of operation and start making idiotic claims about "well NSA!"

In this case it wasn't even the NSA I was thinking about, rather Amazon themselves.

"Hey, I'm heading to the grocery store, do you need anything?"

"Yeah, get some milk?"

Nothing will be transmitted to the cloud unless it is the word "Alexa" or sounds similar enough to the term.

You don't know that. This is not going to be a piece of open source software you can evaluate. It's Amazon's literal black box to do with what they wish.

Re: Amazon Echo

#120

Well that's an out-of-the-blue introduction. I'm increasingly unconvinced of the market for voice-driven devices (innate reluctance to talk when not to a person), but at a glance looks like this is as laudable an effort as can be attempted. At $199 it's too pricy for most, given the untested/unfamiliar niche. At $99 (select Prime members), some of is might give it a chance. I'm reminded that Apple started its move in…

I use the crap out of the "OK Google" functionality of my phone, I send voice text messages more than typed by an order of 3 to 1. I am very excited for this.
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