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Re: On the phenomenon of bullshit jobs

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That answer is complete bullshit. > In the United States, socialism is virtually nonexistent. Except for Medicare, Medicaid, Social Security and Unemployment. And don't forget the military.

Sorry if I am being ignorant, but how's the military a socialist thing?

Re: On the phenomenon of bullshit jobs

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I think he's talking about jobs where this is arguable (though never entirely provable) from any perspective: employee, employer or consumer.

What is the point of FMCG marketing people? Do they really serve a purpose in society or do they just funnel funds from the competitive process (which as a whole might be productive) into different hands, including their own. There are some positive externalities like television, but that kind of incidental value is hard to find meaning in.

How about all the lawyers playing zero sum games? Social media people for office supply companies? Paparazzi? Are reward programs offering blenders in exchange for credit card miles really necessary?

I think the point he's making is somewhat valid, especially from a personal intuitive perspective. The wider question is can society work differently? Can we trade work for leisure? Can we find self definitions and motivation outside of work?

Re: On the phenomenon of bullshit jobs

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That seems so completely misguided. Why is it the government's responsibility to fix your vacation for you? Isn't it just a matter of earning enough money to afford a vacation? I doubt rich people worry as much about little vacation time - they buy those expensive yachts and then have only two weeks per year to ride them? And even supposing there simply aren't enough jobs for everyone, and if you go on vacation someb…

In Hungary (which is considered a shitty place to live) I get 23 days of paid vacation (with weekends considered it can be more than a month). I also don't have to work overtime.

Re: On the phenomenon of bullshit jobs

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How is this weak political agitation on top of HN? It reads like a paroody.

You’re an anthropology professor, what’s the ‘need’ for that?” (And indeed a lot of tabloid readers would take the existence of my job as the very definition of wasteful social expenditure.)

Yes, yes, if you disagree with our good professor here then you must be a tabloid-reading simpleton. A person of any sophistication would easily recognize the value of this largely fact-free critique of capitalism. Where capitalism is represented by the academia, the most competitive of industries.

Once, when contemplating the apparently endless growth of administrative responsibilities in British academic departments

The whole thing is nothing but ideological signalling.

if 1% of the population controls most of the disposable wealth, what we call “the market”

This is a profound psychological violence here. How can one even begin to speak of dignity in labour

Even more perverse, there seems to be a broad sense that this is the way things should be. This is one of the secret strengths of right-wing populism. You can see it when tabloids whip up resentment against tube workers

Let me just say (before I go back to reading Daily Mail and bashing teachers) that I can totally understand why he spent so much time thinking about bullshit jobs.

Re: On the phenomenon of bullshit jobs

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That answer is complete bullshit. > In the United States, socialism is virtually nonexistent. Except for Medicare, Medicaid, Social Security and Unemployment. And don't forget the military.

Every tax-financed band-aid to Capitalism is not by some black-magic Socialism per se.

Re: On the phenomenon of bullshit jobs

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

That answer is complete bullshit. > In the United States, socialism is virtually nonexistent. Except for Medicare, Medicaid, Social Security and Unemployment. And don't forget the military.

Sorry if I am being ignorant, but how's the military a socialist thing?

> Every day before dawn, brave men and women of different races and backgrounds rise as one, united by a common cause. They march together in formation, kept in step by their voices joined in song. These workers leave their communal housing arrangements and go toil together “in the field.” While they are out doing their day’s labor, their young are cared for in subsidized childcare programs. If they hurt themselves on the job, they can count on universal health care. Right under your nose, on the fenced-in bases you drive past on your way to work or see on the TV news, a successful experiment in collectivization has been going on for years.

-- http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/04/21/troops-of-t...

> The military is innately hierarchical, yet it nurtures a camaraderie in part because the military looks after its employees. This is a rare enclave of single-payer universal health care, and it continues with a veterans’ health care system that has much lower costs than the American system as a whole.

-- http://www.nytimes.com/2011/06/16/opinion/16kristof.html?_r=...

I'm surprised this isn't obvious to most people.

I also find libertarian soldiers extremely amusing.

Re: On the phenomenon of bullshit jobs

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A funny thing about this story is the photo is of the SSE. The very same place where I worked on the trading system and got down voted for '2300 a second sustained. I was doing that on PA RISC under HPUX in 1995. BFD'. More relevant to the story at hand, when the bell went for lunch, most of those people crossed their arms and put their heads down on them for a nap. I am sure many never left their desk.

Re: On the phenomenon of bullshit jobs

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Related: An epic Reddit answer to 'Why Americans get so little vacation time' Short answer: Communism lost http://www.reddit.com/r/business/comments/d8eiv/why_do_ameri...

That seems so completely misguided. Why is it the government's responsibility to fix your vacation for you? Isn't it just a matter of earning enough money to afford a vacation? I doubt rich people worry as much about little vacation time - they buy those expensive yachts and then have only two weeks per year to ride them? And even supposing there simply aren't enough jobs for everyone, and if you go on vacation someb…

> Why is it the government's responsibility to fix your vacation for you?

Because life is better that way.

The employer/employee relationship is incredibly biased. A lot of people simply cannot afford to lose their job, whereas pretty much every employer can afford to fire almost any individual. This means people are willing to work for little pay, poor benefits and no vacation because they are effectively forced to, even though everyone would be better off if everyone was forced to take vacation

Re: On the phenomenon of bullshit jobs

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Related: An epic Reddit answer to 'Why Americans get so little vacation time' Short answer: Communism lost http://www.reddit.com/r/business/comments/d8eiv/why_do_ameri...

That seems so completely misguided. Why is it the government's responsibility to fix your vacation for you? Isn't it just a matter of earning enough money to afford a vacation? I doubt rich people worry as much about little vacation time - they buy those expensive yachts and then have only two weeks per year to ride them? And even supposing there simply aren't enough jobs for everyone, and if you go on vacation someb…

> Why is it the government's responsibility to fix your vacation for you?

Yeah, I guess something like unions could work for that. Oh wait, apparently those are bad, too. Well I guess "just earn enough money" is the best fallback.

Re: On the phenomenon of bullshit jobs

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post #17

A funny thing about this story is the photo is of the SSE. The very same place where I worked on the trading system and got down voted for '2300 a second sustained. I was doing that on PA RISC under HPUX in 1995. BFD'. More relevant to the story at hand, when the bell went for lunch, most of those people crossed their arms and put their heads down on them for a nap. I am sure many never left their desk.

Did you find working there meaningful? Half of the time I found playing with cool HFT tech fun just for the tech part of it and no thoughts about meaning at all. But when there is a boring patch, the meaningful/meaningless question is tantalising.
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