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Let's Talk About Beacons

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Re: Let's Talk About Beacons

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I don't know why everyone is talking about pushing ads in the first place, whenever BLE beacons come up. As if the visual clutter created by outdoor advertisement wasn't enough, now I'll get garbage on my phone? No, thanks. Really, No Thanks . As the article mentions, it's not obvious what value iBeacons provide compared to direct audio/visual information. For the same reason QR codes never took off. Ever since QR ca…

I think the technology here is so deceptively simple and generic that it's hard to say what the true killer use case is yet. It's definitely unfortunate that the "ads" examples are the most prevalent. Despite that, I'm betting devs will find cool and novel uses for it.

Re: Let's Talk About Beacons

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

(Disclaimer: I work for Estimote) Indoor location works much better if you utilize data from other sensors in the phone (like accelerometer etc) and apply machine learning to make better sense out of all the signals. I'd suggest you take a look at our SDK that works surprisingly well even with just 4-5 beacons. You can also map your room with our iOS app by just walking around it. You can find it here if you're inter…

The beacons my company received from you guys must have been out of the norm then. All 3 Estimote beacons are dead, and they all died around the same time (one in super conservative mode, one in what should be a normal use case, and then one in max power mode). I was excited when I saw your indoor SDK, but it's too simplistic and not realistic enough for the production apps we have and are building (walking around an…

Thanks for your feedback! Sorry to hear about faulty beacons, what happened definitely doesn't sound normal. I'd suggest to contact our community team at contact@estimote.com and they're probably able to replace these beacons with new ones.

Indoor SDK is still in very early phase, but we're pushing very hard to roll out a series of updates with new features like multiple rooms support, cloud integration and even better accuracy, so you can expect more comprehensive solution in the near future.

And if you're interested in bigger deployments we also offer beacons in bulk quantities with much better pricing.

We're treating R&D very seriously as we're thinking of beacons as much more than simply hardware. There's still a lot of ideas to explore and we try to support the community as much as we can, so I hope you'll give it another chance.

Thanks again for sharing your thoughts. That's extremely important to us and makes it possible to address issues people have with beacon technology ASAP

Re: Let's Talk About Beacons

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post #38

I don't know why everyone is talking about pushing ads in the first place, whenever BLE beacons come up. As if the visual clutter created by outdoor advertisement wasn't enough, now I'll get garbage on my phone? No, thanks. Really, No Thanks . As the article mentions, it's not obvious what value iBeacons provide compared to direct audio/visual information. For the same reason QR codes never took off. Ever since QR ca…

despite the hype BLE turns out to be a niche technology with poor capabilities and questionable benefits.

While I agree that beacons are over-hyped, I think it's worth pointing out that BLE does other things that I think are more useful. Being able to talk to devices without having to perform the awkward pairing process, for example.

Re: Let's Talk About Beacons

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Beacons.

The thing where everyone has some idea of what they want people to see it as useful for (Ads, etc), but don't understand how to jive this from what consumers want from them.

At this stage, it still looks like a technology solution in search of a consumer problem (it certainly solves the "how do i push indoor location based ads/etc" problem, but consumers don't care or want that).

Watching most of these companies is like watching microsoft announce the xbox one.

Everyone tries to sell indoor location, but there are better ways to do indoor location, cheaper, than placing $200 of beacons and meticulously mapping where you put them. So that isn't going to go very well over time (highly likely to be supplanted by something better).

Even some of the examples are just a result of otherwise poor planning on companies part.

For example, i don't want to know "things on my shopping list are nearby", i want to know, ahead of time, exactly where the things on my shopping list are.

It's only recently (past year or two) home depot or lowes would even tell me what aisle stuff was in. I still can't go to a safeway website and get an idea what aisle my items are in.

In some cases, this is deliberate - they want you to have to browse. In any case, beacons solve none of this problem (except maybe the "i'm in aisle 46 and i still can't find x" problem, but the distance issues often stop this from being particularly useful use case).

I struggle to think of an interesting use case on the consumer side for beacons.

Maybe locations for things that move like booths at a farmers market or something.

Re: Let's Talk About Beacons

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As an iOS developer who has spent the last 9 months making beacon enabled things for my employer, I personally think beacons are shit. Some of my findings over the last 9 months: - Estimated battery life was estimated very poorly. - Nobody likes things they didn't ask for getting sent to their phone. - Indoor navigation that relies on iBeacons only is going to shoot you in the foot. I recommend www.indoo.rs as the on…

Is there a specific reason for the coin cell batteries?

I would be much happier paying the same amount for something that looks like a AA battery and will last a few years.

Re: Let's Talk About Beacons

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post #38

I don't know why everyone is talking about pushing ads in the first place, whenever BLE beacons come up. As if the visual clutter created by outdoor advertisement wasn't enough, now I'll get garbage on my phone? No, thanks. Really, No Thanks . As the article mentions, it's not obvious what value iBeacons provide compared to direct audio/visual information. For the same reason QR codes never took off. Ever since QR ca…

Agree! With http://tah.io/get we have tried to make use of BLE not just as beacons but also for combining the power of your physical sensors with 'smartphone' sensors to have much more interesting use cases!

Re: Let's Talk About Beacons

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Beacons are being used as a micro-surveillance tool [1,2]. And that is the only prominent use they have found, among all the ones listed. Interestingly Gimbal, is a Qualcomm company or rather was a Qualcomm company as it was spun off [3]. Gimbal also had $5 beacon giveaways [4]. Gimbal had embedded its beacons in phonebooths in Chicago, LA and New York [1, 2]. [1] - http://www.buzzfeed.com/josephbernstein/exclusive-h…

They can only be used as "micro-surveillance tools" once you install an app that shares your proximity to a beacon with a remote server... and by installing a 'malicious' app you've already lost.

Yes, an app is required to trigger the surveillance since beacons are one-way, but not really a 'malicious' app install. If tomorrow candy crush/angry birds want to tap into the gimbal database, well congratulations. Worst, if FB/Google want to tap into the database, nearly every android/iOS phone with BLE on will be a target due to their massive app install base.

Re: Let's Talk About Beacons

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While I like the minimalism of the beacon API, I wonder if it doesn't limit the usefulness of this technology, as it leads to an over-reliance on mobile Internet (apps need to fetch information after detecting a relevant beacon) and/or preinstalled apps (which will probably not talk to each other very well). It'd be interesting if beacons could send some structured data along with their identification header. This wa…

It's still possible to have a general-purpose app for beacons, you just need to make that structured data available in a standard format on the Internet.

You could treat the UUID as a domain name, have a DNS-style system where an app looks up a UUID, gets some structured data, and caches it.

That does mean, for your bus example, that you would have to have seen one of those UUIDs before while internet connected, in order to have the route data already cached.

If someone is going through the effort of placing bus beacons, there's a good chance that the location either already has good data coverage, or they could place a wifi hotspot at the same time.

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Alternatively, certain UUIDs could be taken to mean "connect to this device over wifi, and download structured information". This does have the battery issues mentioned in the article, but I expect that, for permanent installations, people will prefer externally powered beacons anyway.

Re: Let's Talk About Beacons

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post #38

I don't know why everyone is talking about pushing ads in the first place, whenever BLE beacons come up. As if the visual clutter created by outdoor advertisement wasn't enough, now I'll get garbage on my phone? No, thanks. Really, No Thanks . As the article mentions, it's not obvious what value iBeacons provide compared to direct audio/visual information. For the same reason QR codes never took off. Ever since QR ca…

Agree! With http://tah.io/get we have tried to make use of BLE not just as beacons but also for combining the power of your physical sensors with 'smartphone' sensors to have much more interesting use cases!

Like what, for instance?

Re: Let's Talk About Beacons

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post #43
post #38

I don't know why everyone is talking about pushing ads in the first place, whenever BLE beacons come up. As if the visual clutter created by outdoor advertisement wasn't enough, now I'll get garbage on my phone? No, thanks. Really, No Thanks . As the article mentions, it's not obvious what value iBeacons provide compared to direct audio/visual information. For the same reason QR codes never took off. Ever since QR ca…

despite the hype BLE turns out to be a niche technology with poor capabilities and questionable benefits. While I agree that beacons are over-hyped, I think it's worth pointing out that BLE does other things that I think are more useful. Being able to talk to devices without having to perform the awkward pairing process, for example.

Pairing is an equivalent of connecting devices with a physical wire. When you stream music you want to know exactly where it goes, or e.g. which BT headset is connected to which phone in the room.

Pairing can be combined with connecting in a lot of situations though, and I believe the Bluetooth standard, as well as implementations are moving towards simplification. For example, I'd rather have a list of BT audio speakers around me directly in my music player app, then I'd just tap on one of them and hear music playing straight away. This is a protocol/API/UI issue rather than a fundamental limitation.

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