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Re: Just had a heart attack

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Can someone with some medical experience write about what are exactly the warning signs for a heart attack? While it's definitely wise to call 911 when in doubt, it's good to have own understanding first so we don't ignore the symptoms AND don't flood 911 with false problems.

Doctor here. The 'typical' signs of a heart attack are chest pain usually described as dull, heavy or tight, with radiation to the arm(s) and neck. The patient often also complains of diaphoresis (sweating) , shortness of breath and perhaps weakness. 'Typical' signs do not present in everyone: in particular diabetics are at increased risk of having 'silent' heart attacks, And chest pain that is not typical may also b…

Could a smart watch detect a heart attack?

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Doctor here. The 'typical' signs of a heart attack are chest pain usually described as dull, heavy or tight, with radiation to the arm(s) and neck. The patient often also complains of diaphoresis (sweating) , shortness of breath and perhaps weakness. 'Typical' signs do not present in everyone: in particular diabetics are at increased risk of having 'silent' heart attacks, And chest pain that is not typical may also b…

Could a smart watch detect a heart attack?

If it can accurately monitor your heart beats, then I believe it should be able to identify patterns that signal an impending heart attack. I'm not a doctor tho, so don't take me too seriously.

Edit: Apparently I'm wrong, I know nothing about ECG.

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Can someone with some medical experience write about what are exactly the warning signs for a heart attack? While it's definitely wise to call 911 when in doubt, it's good to have own understanding first so we don't ignore the symptoms AND don't flood 911 with false problems.

For me this is a real issue. I have genetic high cholestrol (I'm on 80 mg lipitor) and I suffer from gastric reflux and excessive gas. I've been to ER twice when I thought I was having a heart attack but it was just bad gas/heartburn :( Now I'm sure to dismiss the real attack...

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Doctor here. The 'typical' signs of a heart attack are chest pain usually described as dull, heavy or tight, with radiation to the arm(s) and neck. The patient often also complains of diaphoresis (sweating) , shortness of breath and perhaps weakness. 'Typical' signs do not present in everyone: in particular diabetics are at increased risk of having 'silent' heart attacks, And chest pain that is not typical may also b…

Could a smart watch detect a heart attack?

To take an ECG tracing you need at least 3 points of contact with skin around the body (a hospital ECG has 9 leads attached to the body from which the machine calculates 12 waveforms of electrical activity). A watch based mechanism would not have the capacity to do this and even a 3 lead ECG would not be considered sufficient as it would miss too many changes.

I therefore believe that a smart watch would not with any current technology be capable of detecting a heart attack.. Pulse and heart rate are simply not useful (neither sensitive or specific) criteria for detecting MI's

For further reading on the physics of an ECG hit up

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Einthoven's_triangle

Edit: my ECG knowledge is a bit rusty- 2 points of contact is enough to produce a single waveform reading...

Re: Just had a heart attack

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Get well soon. One of the biggest causes of death, especially for males is being too stubborn or too scared to get things checked out. Me included. Have a speedy recovery!

This. I was so reluctant to call 911 at first, but i've been a firefighter and 911 dispatcher, so knew how important it was!

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Can we expect a health-based startup being added to Fogbeam Labs after this? In all seriousness, I hope you have a speedy recovery. Be thankful it happened in the RDU area. We have two of the best med schools in the country within a 30 minute drive of each other. I'm certain you'll pull out of this without a problem.

Heh, good point. We'll see what happens.

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Can someone with some medical experience write about what are exactly the warning signs for a heart attack? While it's definitely wise to call 911 when in doubt, it's good to have own understanding first so we don't ignore the symptoms AND don't flood 911 with false problems.

Thanks for your response. I was always curious about something. My father inlaw was admitted a few years ago for bypass surgery. Upon inspection, they found (I'm doing this from memory so apologies if I get some of the numbers wrong) that 4 of his arteries were partially blocked, some up to 85%. In fact, his body produced a natural bypass on it's own because one artery was so clogged up (it literally created new conn…

Blockages of up to 90%, whilst considered 'critical', typically cause little in the way of symptoms.

The gold standard for detecting vessel blockage is angiogram- puncture the femoral or radial artery, feed a catheter to the top of the aorta and squirt some dye and then watch it on X-ray. This has risks however- risks of rupturing artery walls, causing bleeding and bruising, and can be expensive. So it is not routinely done: in fact it is only indicated if a patient presents with a MI (gold standard is to have the patient in angio lab within 90 minutes of onset of symptoms, which is great because if they are they can generally reverse the blockages with stenting before long term damage occurs), or if a patient has a positive stress test.

CT angiograms are becoming more common but still not commonly used due to decreased sensitivity.

If a patient is believed to have risk factors for artery disease then they may be given a exercise stress test- hook up to an ECG, get on a treadmill and if there are changes consistent with vessel ISCHAEMIA (as opposed to infarct), then an angiogram will usually be scheduled.

For patients too unwell for a exercise stress test nuclear medicine stress tests can be performed.

And finally in patients who have blockages in more than 3 arteries, the gold standard is still (for the time being) coronary artery bypass grafting.

I guess to summarise, the reason we can't detect it earlier is because generally we require invasive means to do so and invasive tests carry risk to the patient that are hard to justify for screening purposes. Perhaps in the future CT angio may be made more readily available, the scanners keep getting better and better and resolution increases all the time however you always want to minimise a persons radiation dose as for every 3-400 people scanned you can cause one instance of cancer... Something you must always be mindful of particularly in children

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