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We Can Eradicate Malaria Within a Generation

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Re: We Can Eradicate Malaria Within a Generation

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post #32

You have to respect the man's dedication. He wanted his OS on every desktop computer and he may have played loose with the rules but he got his wish. Now he wants this terrible disease to be destroyed, and there are a lot of obstacles in his way (and after all, destroying a well entrenched virus is a feat that humanity reached only once before), but still in my heart I feel like I wouldn't bet on the virus on that on…

>he may have played loose with the rules ... he is one of the few who can tackle it head on, which ultimately will benefit everyone.

He --may-- have? Let's not whitewash history. He not only very much played loose with the rules, he outright broke the rules and trampled upon laws that caused far-reaching net damage to society in the process.

Like yourself and most others, I'm certainly pleased that Gates has decided to give back a small portion of his overall plunder from society, but it also shouldn't act as a public relations whitewash that erases his past history. His charity doesn't simply erase his overall negative impacts upon society that runs easily into the trillions and also took away from charity by proxy and directly in the process as well for decades.

We should teach future generations to give to charity, but in the process we shouldn't also instruct future generations that the way Gates amassed his ridiculous amount of money and power was acceptable and good for society overall.

Despite what they and their lackeys would have many of us believe, society prospers without megalomaniacal billionaires. Billionaires reach that ridiculous, megalomaniacal status by pushing the externalities produced via their business growth upon the rest of society instead of paying it themselves.

Once externalities are accounted for, there are very few organic, ethical ways to acquire and hoard that kind of wealth without stunting the rest of society in insidious ways. And, by the time one "gives it away", all the greater damage has already been done in the meantime.

We don't need them. For example, the overwhelming majority of charity comes from small businesses and lower income individuals. The same individuals and small businesses that are drastically hurt and destroyed by the business practices of people like Gates and other billionaires.

Keep in mind, large corporations and people like Bill Gates give only a tiny percentage of overall charity, but they (and their lackeys) spend vastly more on telling everyone about it through various public relations channels, etc. and that's why it distorts public perception on who really gives the lion's share to charity overall.

Again, I'm very happy Gates is giving to charity, but let's not whitewash his overall net impact against society in the process. He accomplished some great good for society with his business and now his charity as well. But, for us to ignore all the harm he's caused with his past business practices over those decades isn't fair to society and it's a horrible lesson for future generations that may think they should emulate the methodologies billionaires like him use to acquire and hoard enough wealth to reach that "status".

There's much more to the story of Bill Gates and his dire issues with externalities (and charity issues as well) that we shouldn't ignore in our haste to worship him and/or as someone else in this thread did... apply some sort of sainthood.

edits: spelling/grammar

Re: We Can Eradicate Malaria Within a Generation

#42
post #32

You have to respect the man's dedication. He wanted his OS on every desktop computer and he may have played loose with the rules but he got his wish. Now he wants this terrible disease to be destroyed, and there are a lot of obstacles in his way (and after all, destroying a well entrenched virus is a feat that humanity reached only once before), but still in my heart I feel like I wouldn't bet on the virus on that on…

>Now he wants this terrible disease to be destroyed, and there are a lot of obstacles in his way (and after all, destroying a well entrenched virus is a feat that humanity reached only once before), but still in my heart I feel like I wouldn't bet on the virus on that one.

Correction: malaria is not a virus. It is one of 4 different species of protozoa (type of single-celled organism).

Re: We Can Eradicate Malaria Within a Generation

#43
post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> This does make him sound like a saint, but is number of lives saved really a good metric? I mean, what's the quality of life like for these three million people, what's their life expectancy? You can't really be improving living conditions of people who are dead can you. So it's a first step.

More people isn't necessarily a good way to improve living conditions, however. It is pretty common for deer populations to become unhealthy when predators are removed, for example, since with no predators they just over produce and then they all starve due to lack of tree bark. You end up with a sickly, miserable population.

Then be glad that someone else did not apply this principle to you.

After all, maybe someone out there in the world thinks that 1 person / km2 ought to be enough. Who's to say that you wouldn't be in his "TO TERMINATE" list?

And these are humans you're talking about, not deer.

Re: We Can Eradicate Malaria Within a Generation

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> Armed with this 50-cent test, community health workers with little training can determine in minutes with 99 percent accuracy whether someone has malaria or not. Last year, we deployed 200 million of them in Africa alone. I found this statement incredible. My perspective is from someone who had a Malaria scare after coming back from Asia this summer and passing through Krakow, Poland. I had numerous blood tests to…

It wouldn't surprise me if it is because it had not tested and licensed for EU regulations yet. Bureaucracy seems to trump common sense on these things.

Re: We Can Eradicate Malaria Within a Generation

#45
post #32

You have to respect the man's dedication. He wanted his OS on every desktop computer and he may have played loose with the rules but he got his wish. Now he wants this terrible disease to be destroyed, and there are a lot of obstacles in his way (and after all, destroying a well entrenched virus is a feat that humanity reached only once before), but still in my heart I feel like I wouldn't bet on the virus on that on…

>he may have played loose with the rules ... he is one of the few who can tackle it head on, which ultimately will benefit everyone. He --may-- have? Let's not whitewash history. He not only very much played loose with the rules, he outright broke the rules and trampled upon laws that caused far-reaching net damage to society in the process. Like yourself and most others, I'm certainly pleased that Gates has decided…

>doesn't simply erase his overall negative impacts upon society that runs easily into the trillions

Any source on that? I rather enjoyed using his products.

Re: We Can Eradicate Malaria Within a Generation

#46
This is a commendable goal, but I feel like it is all too tempting to focus narrowly on one disease and ignore a more holistic approach towards addressing the underlying problems. I have travelled to many countries in Africa and the big difference between countries that are sucessful in addressing malaria and others that are not are having better health systems and trained health workers. Giving out bed nets and spraying has limita. There are a lot of interesting techologies that may one eradicate malaria such as a vaccine or genetically modifying the mosquitos, but it is too short sighted when looking at the problem holistically.

Too often donors are tempted to focus on a single disease because it is much easier to measure progress and it is easier to "sell" to the public. But when you dedicate so much resources towards a single disease you're distorting the health system, and it becomes more susceptible to shocks like Ebola.

Re: We Can Eradicate Malaria Within a Generation

#47
post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> This does make him sound like a saint, but is number of lives saved really a good metric? I mean, what's the quality of life like for these three million people, what's their life expectancy? You can't really be improving living conditions of people who are dead can you. So it's a first step.

More people isn't necessarily a good way to improve living conditions, however. It is pretty common for deer populations to become unhealthy when predators are removed, for example, since with no predators they just over produce and then they all starve due to lack of tree bark. You end up with a sickly, miserable population.

Oh I can assure you that the people of Africa have plenty of predators, not least of which are the IMF and World Bank.

Re: We Can Eradicate Malaria Within a Generation

#48
post #14

Is his call for donation directed at specific people? I would gladly donate once I am in his position - own a house, have retirement funds etc. Which will probably take me another 30 years.

Are you seriously telling me that your life is so hardscrabble it'll take you 30 years to scrape up a spare hundred bucks or so to toss into the pot.

Re: We Can Eradicate Malaria Within a Generation

#49
post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Rockefeller and Carnegie were donating vast sums of money to many different charities long ago. I wouldn't call either of their donation efforts "feel good".

I'm aware of both. I said, "usually" and I was talking about contemporary billionaires. Both Carnegie and Rockefeller had a sense of effective philanthropy. I find it very impressive that Carnegie managed to spend 90% of his assets before he died.

Gates is comparable with Rockfeller, in the sense that they both had extremely dodgy ways of doing business and managed to create huge monopolies.

Re: We Can Eradicate Malaria Within a Generation

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post #2

Eliminating malaria may or may not be possible. If you look at the work that Jimmy Carter and others have done to eradicate Guinea Worm -- reaching a low of 148 people infected in 2013, down from 3.5e6 in 2013 -- it is now primarily a political problem. The last infections are in south Sudan. If Gates can accomplish this, eradicating malaria is a worthy coda of a life.

Should be 3.5e6 cases in 1986
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