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Re: Police allow car break-ins to become a Seattle growth industry

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Post by Kalium »

DanBC wrote: post #116
ketralnis wrote: post #95

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I appreciate what you're trying to say, but he's not talking about a random sampling of mentally ill people. He's talking about a person that's kicking a bunch of seats around and generally indicating a potential for violence. Whether or not we're talking about mental illness, we're talking about someone that's current being violent.

There's a clear extrapolation from that one person being violent[1] to the idea that people with mental illness are in general violent. > Right next to her is a hole in the wall punched by some other mentally infirm person that same day. BadassFractal didn't witness that, but assumes it was done by someone with a mental health problem rather than someone who's just an angry arsehole. > I would however love to feel sa…

OK. So now the question is "What can we do to help, given that there's already lots of money sloshing around"?

Rather than lecture on what not to do, what do you propose as steps towards resolving these problems?

Re: Police allow car break-ins to become a Seattle growth industry

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Post by iamdave »

discardorama wrote: post #119
raldi wrote: post #113

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It would pay for better homeless care and more, higher-quality police officers.

Ah, another of those "let's throw more money at the problem, and maybe that'll fix it" people. Firstly: the City has no shortage of money. The City's budget this year is a whopping $8.6 Billion dollars. For a city of 850,000 people, that's quite a lot. Secondly: the City already spends a lot on homelessness; the direct spending per homeless person exceeds $12,000/year. There are task forces galore on this problem, an…

"The City's budget this year is a whopping $8.6 Billion dollars. For a city of 850,000 people, that's quite a lot."

Seriously!?

/me heads to the googles

Re: Police allow car break-ins to become a Seattle growth industry

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Post by garretruh »

iamdave wrote: post #122
discardorama wrote: post #119

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ah, another of those "let's throw more money at the problem, and maybe that'll fix it" people. Firstly: the City has no shortage of money. The City's budget this year is a whopping $8.6 Billion dollars. For a city of 850,000 people, that's quite a lot. Secondly: the City already spends a lot on homelessness; the direct spending per homeless person exceeds $12,000/year. There are task forces galore on this problem, an…

"The City's budget this year is a whopping $8.6 Billion dollars. For a city of 850,000 people, that's quite a lot." Seriously!? /me heads to the googles

It looks like that is indeed the case://openbook.sfgov.org/openbooks/cgi-bin/cognosisapi.dll?b_action=cognosViewer&ui.action=run&ui.object=%2fcontent%2ffolder%5b%40name%3d%27Reports%27%5d%2freport%5b%40name%3d%27Budget%27%5d&ui.name=20Budget&run.outputFormat=&run.prompt=false

Re: Police allow car break-ins to become a Seattle growth industry

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Post by DanBC »

Kalium wrote: post #121
DanBC wrote: post #116

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There's a clear extrapolation from that one person being violent[1] to the idea that people with mental illness are in general violent. > Right next to her is a hole in the wall punched by some other mentally infirm person that same day. BadassFractal didn't witness that, but assumes it was done by someone with a mental health problem rather than someone who's just an angry arsehole. > I would however love to feel sa…

OK. So now the question is "What can we do to help, given that there's already lots of money sloshing around"? Rather than lecture on what not to do, what do you propose as steps towards resolving these problems?

"don't stigmatise people with a mental illness" is the call to action.

Stigma prevents people getting help, even for mild MH problems that respond well to talking therapy. Stigma increases social isolation and reduces opportunities for work. We know that both of these make mental illness worse.

Re: Police allow car break-ins to become a Seattle growth industry

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Post by Kalium »

wozniacki wrote: post #111
BadassFractal wrote: post #38

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Just yesterday in the civic center area here in SF I'm getting a sandwich and this mentally ill (or really high, or both) bum lady walks into the shop and proceeds to howl at the top of her lungs for 10 minutes, dance around the shop, kick down a bunch of seats. Right next to her is a hole in the wall punched by some other mentally infirm person that same day. Nothing. The staff is used to it, I'm used to it, the oth…

Whatever you do in manner of becoming vocal about such dysfunctions, attending SFPD meetings, building support for ballot measures by getting the community involved and other efforts to address dysfunction, graft and full blown corruption in the city's affairs ... whatever else you do Please Do Not Leave The City Set down roots here if you want to change the way this city functions and lives. If you can, own a home (…

As I understand current SF politics, trying to change things makes you the subject of hatred and protests. Not an encouraging set of results.

Re: Police allow car break-ins to become a Seattle growth industry

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Post by BadassFractal »

DanBC wrote: post #124
Kalium wrote: post #121

Earlier quoted context omitted.

OK. So now the question is "What can we do to help, given that there's already lots of money sloshing around"? Rather than lecture on what not to do, what do you propose as steps towards resolving these problems?

"don't stigmatise people with a mental illness" is the call to action. Stigma prevents people getting help, even for mild MH problems that respond well to talking therapy. Stigma increases social isolation and reduces opportunities for work. We know that both of these make mental illness worse.

Respectfully, I don't see how this is actionable for me as an individual. Ok, I'm not stigmatizing people with mental illness, now what?

I still have hundreds, if not more people, with mental illness roaming downtown, living on the streets, regularly leaving feces on sidewalks, screaming at passerbys and expressing what appears violent behavior and nothing is being done about it.

Re: Police allow car break-ins to become a Seattle growth industry

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Post by Mandatum »

iamdave wrote: post #122
discardorama wrote: post #119

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ah, another of those "let's throw more money at the problem, and maybe that'll fix it" people. Firstly: the City has no shortage of money. The City's budget this year is a whopping $8.6 Billion dollars. For a city of 850,000 people, that's quite a lot. Secondly: the City already spends a lot on homelessness; the direct spending per homeless person exceeds $12,000/year. There are task forces galore on this problem, an…

"The City's budget this year is a whopping $8.6 Billion dollars. For a city of 850,000 people, that's quite a lot." Seriously!? /me heads to the googles

$10,000 per person? That's more than a third of the annual income per person for that state. Wow.

Re: Police allow car break-ins to become a Seattle growth industry

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Post by mikeyouse »

Mandatum wrote: post #127
iamdave wrote: post #122

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"The City's budget this year is a whopping $8.6 Billion dollars. For a city of 850,000 people, that's quite a lot." Seriously!? /me heads to the googles

$10,000 per person? That's more than a third of the annual income per person for that state. Wow.

But not for people in the city.. SF County is the 2nd wealthiest in the state and gets significant tax revenue from tourists (via Sales taxes, Hotel taxes, etc.).

Re: Police allow car break-ins to become a Seattle growth industry

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Post by Kalium »

DanBC wrote: post #124
Kalium wrote: post #121

Earlier quoted context omitted.

OK. So now the question is "What can we do to help, given that there's already lots of money sloshing around"? Rather than lecture on what not to do, what do you propose as steps towards resolving these problems?

"don't stigmatise people with a mental illness" is the call to action. Stigma prevents people getting help, even for mild MH problems that respond well to talking therapy. Stigma increases social isolation and reduces opportunities for work. We know that both of these make mental illness worse.

I disagree. It's a negative step - don't do X, for some value of X. OK. Fine. What's next? I asked in search of positive steps.

Re: Police allow car break-ins to become a Seattle growth industry

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Post by homeinvasion333 »

Home Invaders, call all home invaders, Seattle and big City USA.

0.) alleged the Police are out chasing bank robbers and allow car break-in

1.)why important? the new 'cartel' pays extra for your PERSONAL info for medical ID theft.

2.) the meth addicts who are up all night strike your mailbox to make sure they have a complete profile on U.

3.)since your garage door opener or home address allows the HOME INVADERS to get a copy of keys to your home.

4.) Mexican drug cartels have great stories they tell the neighbors, including pesticide pest control, lost cat animal control with uniforms, etc. when a gun is held to the head of your children, you will give up your pin, passwords to online bank accounts and combination number to the secret safe.

5.) USA citizens Trust the Police, especially the Detroit ones who never sent the rape kits to the lab. So, the serial criminals kept raping and home invading.

6.) This pattern is nationwide. Police never use the Internet. In Florida, the popular women fitness center car trunks break-ins target your wallet. Someone keeps an eye on you while you are exercising at the fitness center. The new master keys make it easy to take your WALLET, smartphone, HOME KEYS and even spare set of car keys.

Does this happen during the day in broad daylight, with visitors from out of town driving a 'rental car'?

when is your HOME INVADER going to invade?

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