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Friends Don't Let Friends Clap on One and Three: A Backbeat Clapping Study

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Re: Friends Don't Let Friends Clap on One and Three: A Backbeat Clapping Study

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Post by __david__ »

Roedou wrote: post #49
guelo wrote: post #2

This presentation would much better as a youtube video with audible samples of the beats.

In case you're not the only one looking for them: Michael Jackson - Billie Jean: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zi_XLOBDo_Y#t=0 The Honey Drippers - Impeach The President: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wqbEsS5kFb8#t=0 Bob James - Take Me to the Mardi Gras: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gaoCsmFDLcY#t=0 James Brown - Funky Drummer: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dNP8tbDMZNE#t=332 The Winstons - Amen Brother: http…

So I watched an old documentary online about the Amen break which was phenomenal, but I've never heard of "Impeach the President" and "The Funky Drummer". And yet, I know those drums like the back of my hand. I love finding where stuff I've heard my whole life came from.

Re: Friends Don't Let Friends Clap on One and Three: A Backbeat Clapping Study

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Post by techrat »

sanderjd wrote: post #46
tlb wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Harry Connick Jr's beat switcheroo is masterful.

Goodness yes, I've listened to it a bunch of times and the pre-switch and after-switch difference is obvious, but the transition is like magic to me - I can't hear it, I can only realize that it happened.

To me it sounds like it's when "suddenly" the bassline matches the clapping but he hid it under the treble-only riff on the piano. Pure magic. It just flips like a switch.

Re: Friends Don't Let Friends Clap on One and Three: A Backbeat Clapping Study

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Post by gpvos »

Interestingly, the Schottische, a 19th-century dance which despite the name originates from Central Europe, has strong and fairly complex backbeats (if danced the traditional way): one-and-TWO, three-and-FOUR, one-AND-two-AND-three-AND-four-AND.

This dance has influenced blues dancing. (Which is a partner dance; African-American slaves had no tradition of partner dancing.)

Re: Friends Don't Let Friends Clap on One and Three: A Backbeat Clapping Study

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Post by timdiggerm »

kissickas wrote: post #32
andrewchoi wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The switch happens around the 0:40 mark, for those who may have thought that they missed it (as I almost did)

I think he did it more towards 0:36, just after the verse. Edit: after reading the comments it seems everyone agrees with you... for some reason I'm able to count the claps on 2 and 4 before then, though.

You can even hear the audience falter on a clap when he switches

Re: Friends Don't Let Friends Clap on One and Three: A Backbeat Clapping Study

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Post by gohrt »

dnautics wrote: post #24

actually the notion that european music is "harmonically rich and rhythmically unsophisticated" is incorrect; it's relatively modern phenomenon that the rhythms in european music were simplified. Traditional eastern european rhythms are incredibly complex and western european liturgical and vernacular music tended to have complex ryhthms until around the 16-17th century. IIRC this was basically an effect of the churc…

This sounds like how the early digital age of computers over-simplified analog processing of audio and video and PDEs (and what other complex phenomenon? Language AI?), and only later started to close the gap.

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Post by bonjovial »

javert wrote: post #52
rlucas wrote: post #18

My circle of friends used to joke about the "Republican Test." You administer it like this: play the song "I Heard It Through the Grapevine," ideally the Marvin Gaye version, and ask the subject to "clap along with the music" however he or she feels. Our unscientific observations showed a high correlation with 1/3 clapping and being old, square, uptight, or an alien from an unfunky and obsolete dying planet.

Conversely, how do you detect a Democrat? Don't worry, it's easy. They go around calling anyone who disagrees with them names, like "old, square, uptight, or alien."

Oh.

And we all just learned not to expect Republicans or Libertarians to understand the concept of..."joke".

You just confirmed the parent comment's point.

Re: Friends Don't Let Friends Clap on One and Three: A Backbeat Clapping Study

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Post by brownbat »

For those that didn't make it to slide 28:

Subject 5769, a tabla player only weakly familiar with Western or African music, clapped on displaced backbeats or using complex 16th note rhythms, that, if recorded, "would likely make an enjoyable work of art."

Re: Friends Don't Let Friends Clap on One and Three: A Backbeat Clapping Study

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Post by cnvogel »

brightsize wrote: post #51

If you get tired of 2 and 4, try this. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PVBoDx_1dTc [The First Circle -- Metheny/Mays]

For the curious...

||: 12/8 -♪♪-♪-♪♪-♪-♪ | 10/8 -♪♪-♪♪-♪-♪ :||

(- being a 1/8th pause, for the lack of a proper unicode character in whatever font I currently use to type this)

from: http://www.stuartgreenbaum.com/downloads/files/%20First%20Ci...

See also: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_musical_works_in_unusu...

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