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Re: Tell: Got 50% bump for faking a counter offer

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Post by fakeusername » Fri, Oct 31, 2014, 6:50 PM UTC

jqm wrote: post #42

So what if they had told they had someone who would do the job for 60K and so you should feel lucky? Or what if they had told you "Congratulations! you are moving on to bigger and better things. Have your desk cleaned out within half an hour"? Sometimes bluffs work, sometimes they don't.

No, I would have asked them to go with that person. I knew current market value and asked that. I would not have accepted on original terms. Negotiation without counter offer is impossible to get that jump which I needed to accept the offer.

Re: Tell: Got 50% bump for faking a counter offer

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Post by AznHisoka » Fri, Oct 31, 2014, 8:26 PM UTC

jamespitts wrote: post #23

I am going to go out on a limb and say that fake anything is a bullshit way of doing business. In a small way, you probably have made our corner of the world a worse place to be in. Why not just ask for 260K? To lie in order to get it may seem like the only way to guarantee a realization of what you are worth, but this fosters a business climate that you ultimately may not want to live in. Companies may feel the need…

That would be honorable, yes. On the other hand so was Eddard Stark.

Re: Tell: Got 50% bump for faking a counter offer

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Post by [deleted] » Fri, Oct 31, 2014, 9:18 PM UTC

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Re: Tell: Got 50% bump for faking a counter offer

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Post by ladytron » Fri, Oct 31, 2014, 9:20 PM UTC

Now take that offer and plan on getting out of this company in the next 6 months. Look for a big multinational with a long term vision with interesting work. You can now go to conferences and network with your new title and pay level.

I think this current company is not great if they were willing to underpay and then reverse course quickly only when they thought there was a counteroffer. I think your job is likely to not go well and you should start looking AGAIN immediately at a higher quality company. While you still have employment.

Re: Tell: Got 50% bump for faking a counter offer

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Post by jamespitts » Tue, Nov 04, 2014, 1:43 AM UTC

fakeusername wrote: post #35

jamespitts wrote: post #23

I am going to go out on a limb and say that fake anything is a bullshit way of doing business. In a small way, you probably have made our corner of the world a worse place to be in. Why not just ask for 260K? To lie in order to get it may seem like the only way to guarantee a realization of what you are worth, but this fosters a business climate that you ultimately may not want to live in. Companies may feel the need…

Any argument against this? Jamespitts seems to make perfect sense here. @jamespitts, thanks for the valuable comments. As per my experience just asking $260K from the professional negotiator would have not landed me anywhere near this figure, he would have at-most increased 10K. Not arguing against what you said, just saying I cannot win with recruiter on negotiation without counter offers.

Thanks for the measured reply, f.u.n... I can definitely sympathize with your point about your not being able to realistically ask for the amount you ended up with!

We are at a serious disadvantage, even though it seems to many outside the industry that we make an incredible amount of money. But our high salaries are actually quite a bargain considering how much value is potentially going to be realized by the founders and investors (across multiple investments and over the long run).

A few days ago I was actually thinking about the challenge for a developer of achieving a salary closer to what one is worth. I was wondering if job searches can be better managed so that offers land at nearly the same time, perhaps through some sort of software-based mechanism that is well-understood and widely accepted.