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How My Employer Put the “FML” in FMLA

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Re: How My Employer Put the “FML” in FMLA

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Dylan16807 wrote: post #304
the_ancient wrote: post #282

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ahh good old communism... Everything is owned by the collective and we have no personal wealth.... North Korea Welcomes you

Yes. If even a single dollar is taxed, that means personal property ceases to exist. Thank you for explaining it to us.

The statement "i'm will to part with a little of our collective wealth" implies the belief that you have the ethical right to lay claim to any amount any persons wealth because it is all part of the "collective".

If you would have said "I'm willing to part with a little of my wealth" that would have conveyed a believe in personal property.

Re: How My Employer Put the “FML” in FMLA

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NateDad wrote: post #309
secabeen wrote: post #294

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The problem with this argument is that if we only relied on compassion, people who fit well into community norms would be taken care of, and those people who didn't would get lesser or no services.

I think most people have no idea how much it costs to do half the things the government does, and so even if everyone was compassionate, they'd give far less money than is actually needed, even for the socially normal people.

I think most people have no idea how much waste there is in things government purports to do.

Accomplishing the same goals with out government overhead would cost a fraction in real dollars than with the nightmare that is government bureaucracy

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secabeen wrote: post #294
the_ancient wrote: post #265

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Allow me to sum up with a quote... "It’s amazing to me how many people think that voting to have the government give poor people money is compassion. Helping poor and suffering people is compassion. Voting for our government to use guns to give money to help poor and suffering people is immoral self-righteous bullying laziness. People need to be fed, medicated, educated, clothed, and sheltered, and if we’re compassio…

The problem with this argument is that if we only relied on compassion, people who fit well into community norms would be taken care of, and those people who didn't would get lesser or no services.

Yes because people that do not fit into social norms are helped by government all the time....

If you believe that I have some nice beach property I think you would be interested in.

Government through out history has been the engine of discrimination. The only legal way to abuse and harm a social group you do not like is by regulatory capture. Government for hundreds of years has been used to socially engineer society they way those in power desire it to be. From Marriage laws, to who qualifies for welfare.

It is the epitome of ignorance to state that government is the best method to help those that "do not fit well into community norms"

Re: How My Employer Put the “FML” in FMLA

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Post by the_ancient »

Dylan16807 wrote: post #303
the_ancient wrote: post #265

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Allow me to sum up with a quote... "It’s amazing to me how many people think that voting to have the government give poor people money is compassion. Helping poor and suffering people is compassion. Voting for our government to use guns to give money to help poor and suffering people is immoral self-righteous bullying laziness. People need to be fed, medicated, educated, clothed, and sheltered, and if we’re compassio…

You don't think it's mostly objective whether people are being helped? I don't care about the joy of helping nearly as much as actual help . Fuck moral credit. Actually help people. Force everyone to give instead of relying on charity from the few. Yes, it is bullying. That's the only complaint in that quote that makes any sense.

Then taken from an objective view government has harmed far far far far far far far more people that it has ever helped

Re: How My Employer Put the “FML” in FMLA

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NateDad wrote: post #308
the_ancient wrote: post #263

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It is a combination of how people look at employment, and how people look at government Many(most) people have this entitlement mentality where by government, society, employers "owe them". Employment is simply you selling your labor to the highest bidder. Company X needs Y labor done for them, you have the ability to perform that labor so you agree to a wage where by said labor gets done. Nothing more. It is not a "…

The job of the government is to help us make our world a better place. If the job of government was just to resolve conflict, we'd have no roads, no bridges, no public education, we'd all be working 100 hour weeks for a pittance, and the world would be a really really awful place that none of us would like to live in. To think otherwise is just foolishness.

Ahh the classic "Who will build the roads" Fallacy

To think government was the reason for any of things you site it ignorant is best.

You really need to study history more.

Re: How My Employer Put the “FML” in FMLA

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jen729w wrote: post #287
the_ancient wrote: post #228

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Why? It was your choice to have a child why should your employer pay for it, and why should all your fellow employees that did not have children have to work harder to cover for you while you are on paid leave? I think it is selfish for new parents to demand all this time off, you were hired to do a job, do it, if you can not or unwilling to because you have made a choice to make a major change in your life then i am…

The word is "society". I, for one, like living in one. Also as a single 38 year old man with no desire to have kids, I'm glad other people do. I'm happy for my (Australian) tax dollars to support them.

As a single 36 year old man with no desire to have kids,I could care less if other people have kids and feel it is their responsibility not mine to pay for their life choice of having children

Re: How My Employer Put the “FML” in FMLA

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Post by NateDad »

the_ancient wrote: post #312
NateDad wrote: post #309

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think most people have no idea how much it costs to do half the things the government does, and so even if everyone was compassionate, they'd give far less money than is actually needed, even for the socially normal people.

I think most people have no idea how much waste there is in things government purports to do. Accomplishing the same goals with out government overhead would cost a fraction in real dollars than with the nightmare that is government bureaucracy

I think your first statement is 100% true. Most people have no idea how much waste there is.

But some people still try to say it's huge, without any proof other than what they've heard on talk radio.

Re: How My Employer Put the “FML” in FMLA

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Post by NateDad »

the_ancient wrote: post #315
NateDad wrote: post #308

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The job of the government is to help us make our world a better place. If the job of government was just to resolve conflict, we'd have no roads, no bridges, no public education, we'd all be working 100 hour weeks for a pittance, and the world would be a really really awful place that none of us would like to live in. To think otherwise is just foolishness.

Ahh the classic "Who will build the roads" Fallacy To think government was the reason for any of things you site it ignorant is best. You really need to study history more.

History? Like the New Deal? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Deal

Re: How My Employer Put the “FML” in FMLA

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Post by kclay »

astrange wrote: post #288
kclay wrote: post #222

I went through this last year with the birth of our second son. My wife was making sure that everything would be taking care for talking to HR multiple times and they all saying she would be fine. Come time for her to take time off we were presented with a whole other story. First she would't get all the weeks off because she went into labor a week early then expected and to top that she wouldn't be getting paid over…

> Luckily I gotten into a bad habit of placing all the money I will need for my taxes at years end into my account and just not touching it. If you need to pay taxes in the US are you not supposed to be paying the estimated tax quarterly, not at the end of the year? That way you'd get more stable expenses.

Yeah thats true. There is a small penalty for that. Been trying to figure out what I can write off cause my overhead is low , can't do car, or office stuff cause I dont buy any and all the normal stuff you would write off.

Re: How My Employer Put the “FML” in FMLA

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dragonwriter wrote: post #196
opendais wrote: post #160

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Sorta but the people that find themselves in that situation will [usually] run out of money before the Cancer either: A) Kills them B) Is Cured Losing an income is kinda a big issue when you still have to pay cash for the medical insurance. ACA just fixed one issue. It didn't fix the underlying problem of: Major Health Event == Bankruptcy Due To Loss of Income It fixed it for many middle class folks [e.g. programmers…

> Losing an income is kinda a big issue when you still have to pay cash for the medical insurance. ACA just fixed one issue. ACA also expanded Medicaid eligibility [1] and includes income-based subsidies for insurance, so it addresses (to a certain extent) the having to pay cash for the insurance. [1] Though several states successfully sued to create an opt-out for the expansion and have opted out, so in those states…

Yes. But switching providers isn't that simple and doesn't cover everyone.

Idk about you but I'm paying about $0/year now and I know that coverage would cost me $XXX/month via cobra or the like. I'd have to start over with Medicaid (due to different providers taking it) combined with the fact its a minority expense less than my food or rent.

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