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Controversial Patriot Act power now overwhelmingly used in drug investigations

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Re: Controversial Patriot Act power now overwhelmingly used in drug investigations

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To those who don't like the use of this law, I think this is OK. Here's why: You live in a democracy where the popular opinion decides who's in power. You agree that's a good idea because you aren't moving to an authoritarian or libertarian country or voting to change the system. The popular opinion allowed this law, so you should accept that it's the right one according to the system. Of course there will always be…

> If it does become a bigger problem that affects the majority, they'll eventually decide to vote it out.

Slight problem with that. Candidate Obama promised to repeal the Patriot Act. People voted for him. He was elected. It has not been repealed.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

This doesn't help either.... http://news.stanford.edu/news/2014/august/prison-black-laws-...

Wow, if I'm reading this right, this seems like evidence of widespread (possibly sub-conscious) racism.

Not sure if sarcastic...

Of courses there's widespread (systemic) racism. And sub-conscious only in the sense that people don't care to speak about it, because they know it alright.

Re: Controversial Patriot Act power now overwhelmingly used in drug investigations

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To those who don't like the use of this law, I think this is OK. Here's why: You live in a democracy where the popular opinion decides who's in power. You agree that's a good idea because you aren't moving to an authoritarian or libertarian country or voting to change the system. The popular opinion allowed this law, so you should accept that it's the right one according to the system. Of course there will always be…

>To those who don't like the use of this law, I think this is OK. Here's why: You live in a democracy where the popular opinion decides who's in power.

And the colossal naivety begins right here...

Re: Controversial Patriot Act power now overwhelmingly used in drug investigations

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post #30

I really do not understand why some people argue that slippery slope arguments are fallacious. If there is no compelling force and no oversight that prevents an organization from doing something then by entropy alone you would expect that it will eventually be done, much less when there is a huge incentive to use it because it requires less work and red tape.

Most of the "fallacy" categorizations of arguments are BS, I'd say just ignore them.

You would say that, drinking cold tea and all.

Re: Controversial Patriot Act power now overwhelmingly used in drug investigations

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There's a case before the SCOTUS right now that was argued back in October that has to do with something similar, where "forgotten law" (the police officer allegedly forgot what the law was for a broken tail light and pulled the person over anyway) led to a traffic stop, which led to a cursory search of the vehicle, which led to the discovery of a substantial amount of cocaine (relatively speaking). While one might a…

From the police actions and ruling in this case, I'd say the answer is neither.

Thankfully the Court hasn't ruled on it yet. Probably looking for a June opinion release. Given the precedent set in Riley v. California [1] (cellphone warrant case) I think the personality of the court is inclined to agree that police do in fact need a legal justification to pull someone over. I was more concerned that the Federal Government was arguing to the contrary.

[1] http://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/13pdf/13-132_8l9c.pdf

Re: Controversial Patriot Act power now overwhelmingly used in drug investigations

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And civil asset forfeiture was supposed to be just for fighting drug dealers but now being used in all sorts of cases [1]. Governments and other organizations will use all of the powers given to them and then some. The populace will continue to be deceived by the classic divide and conquer for as long as people allow it. The courts don't seem to be stepping up to the plate on these laws which seem very unconstitutional on the face of it from my naive standpoint.

[1] http://www.slate.com/blogs/browbeat/2014/10/06/john_oliver_o...

Re: Controversial Patriot Act power now overwhelmingly used in drug investigations

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Oops. If true, the utter betrayal of government over the governed. At least in a fascist state, you know you're going to get screwed. Well, I think we can all agree now this is proof positive everything Snowden has said is completely valid.

> At least in a fascist state, you know you're going to get screwed.

Lots of people know this about our state, but most of them get dismissed as radicals.

Re: Controversial Patriot Act power now overwhelmingly used in drug investigations

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post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Wow, if I'm reading this right, this seems like evidence of widespread (possibly sub-conscious) racism.

Not sure if sarcastic... Of courses there's widespread (systemic) racism. And sub-conscious only in the sense that people don't care to speak about it, because they know it alright.

I think people are conscious of things such as the disproportionate African-American incarceration rates but rather feel powerless to change that fact

Re: Controversial Patriot Act power now overwhelmingly used in drug investigations

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Destruction of Wisdom in USA - healthy, wealthy and wise.

similar pattern to destrution of HEALTH by the health care system. How so? BIG PHARMA and the BIG HOSPITAL Chains make kill all anti-biotics. This wiipes out ALL bacteria including the friendly ones and it lead to SUIPER bacteria like MRSA, superbugs, etc.

Most of the doctors are cowards and go with the herd, so for any small illness, the patient gets a KILL DOSAGE OF Anti-biiotics.

allegedly most of the law enforcemtn are 'somewhat cowards' and go with the herd, so for nonviolent weed usage, etc, the CRIMINAL THAT IS THE USA CITIZEN gets a KILL DOSAGE of Anti-Terror indictments via the BIG Pharma factory of the Patriot Act.

Since our political leaders in Congress have almost NO programming skills and flunked out of statistics class and it appears thtey are too LAZY TO EVEN READ THE BILLS of potential law,

this comes as no surprise.

summary conclusion: the housing bubble destroyed the wealth and the tax structure that sends manufacturers to China. wealth destroyed - check.

the provisional rush through of dangerous pills destroyed the health

health destroyed - check

the 'patriot act' and other civil forfeiture acts is destroying the WISDOM.

wisdom destroying in progress - aided and abetted by the Comcast 'Net Neutrality'. Tracking direct usage by 'electric meters' will DESTROY reddit.com, Hacker news, and other

OPEN PUBLIC COMMONS.

The Drug WARS continue as 1.) we learned nothing from Prohibition and the rise of organized crime 2.) Vietnam War spread drugs using the military

3.)Iran-Contragate Scandal

4.)destruction of the Colombia Drug Cartel in order to promote the power of the Mexican Drug Cartel and the rise of human smuggling

aka illegal aliens.

5.) small import export business is a bystander CASUALTY OF THE DRUG WAR. Any anonymous tip and your goods are seized via the power of snooping on your communications.

6.) HERE IS THE LOOPHOLE OF THE :PATRIOT ACT. Mexican Leader El Chapo Guzman is a 3rd grade dropout.

He also knows that the great USA has supercomputers and mnay fine cryptographers on Hacker news.

So, maybe the carrier pigeons and birds are used to carry messages?

thus, anti-aircraft gun batteries should be set up at the border.

GOOD BY Canadian geese flying south. This will also provide plenty FREE food meals for the law enforcement after proper legal procedures.

Please, bird and animal lovers (especially FEMALES) do not flame me!

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