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I’m Terrified of My New TV

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Re: I’m Terrified of My New TV

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This if a fluff piece. They write an entire article on why we should be terrified but then they don't even mention the make or manufacturer of this scary new TV, so we can't check the details of the TOS. It's the hypothetical smart TV that everyone owns. They also neglected to mention you could just not connect it to the internet - you know, like the ancient TV he just turned in?

It's pretty easy to find the TOS though, by Googling the quoted text. Apparently it's manufactured by Samsung.

http://www.samsung.com/us/common/privacy.html

Re: I’m Terrified of My New TV

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post #29

The only reason I feel comfortable connecting things like consumer network-connected cameras, TVs, Bluray players, game consoles, or anything else "Internet Ready" to my network is because I perform outbound filtering, and it's a big eye-opener to see first-hand what these devices are trying to connect to. Luckily most things use HTTP so you can actually filter based on the URL it's trying to access. For example, per…

Can you recommend any resources for getting started?

Yeah, I'd also be interested in some resources on outbound filtering your network.

Re: I’m Terrified of My New TV

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The only reason I feel comfortable connecting things like consumer network-connected cameras, TVs, Bluray players, game consoles, or anything else "Internet Ready" to my network is because I perform outbound filtering, and it's a big eye-opener to see first-hand what these devices are trying to connect to. Luckily most things use HTTP so you can actually filter based on the URL it's trying to access. For example, per…

If anyone wants to build it, I would love a website where you could look up any device/program and see a profile of what data it sends out of your house, or what it brings in. Pair it with an open source app to collect the profiles and upload them to the website (somewhat ironically).

Re: I’m Terrified of My New TV

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The only reason I feel comfortable connecting things like consumer network-connected cameras, TVs, Bluray players, game consoles, or anything else "Internet Ready" to my network is because I perform outbound filtering, and it's a big eye-opener to see first-hand what these devices are trying to connect to. Luckily most things use HTTP so you can actually filter based on the URL it's trying to access. For example, per…

What sort of firewall/router setup do you recommend?

Re: I’m Terrified of My New TV

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post #29

The only reason I feel comfortable connecting things like consumer network-connected cameras, TVs, Bluray players, game consoles, or anything else "Internet Ready" to my network is because I perform outbound filtering, and it's a big eye-opener to see first-hand what these devices are trying to connect to. Luckily most things use HTTP so you can actually filter based on the URL it's trying to access. For example, per…

Can you recommend any resources for getting started?

Every time I say this I feel like a shill because I worked for them briefly, but Sophos has a Home version of their UTM firewall (0). It has pros and cons, but overall I think it's pretty good (even after working there).

Some other options include Sonicwall and pfsense, and I encourage others to post their suggestions as well. I haven't used SonicWall, though I have used pfsense strictly as a firewall.

(0) http://www.sophos.com/en-us/products/free-tools/sophos-utm-h...

Re: I’m Terrified of My New TV

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post #28

> I just bought a new TV...The only problem is that I’m now afraid to use it. You would be too — if you read through the 46-page privacy policy. Wish I had the money to drop hundreds of dollars on a product, and figure out what it does afterward...

In buying a television I wouldn't fault a person for expecting it to be no more dangerous than the basic televisions they had in the past.

Re: I’m Terrified of My New TV

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post #18

This if a fluff piece. They write an entire article on why we should be terrified but then they don't even mention the make or manufacturer of this scary new TV, so we can't check the details of the TOS. It's the hypothetical smart TV that everyone owns. They also neglected to mention you could just not connect it to the internet - you know, like the ancient TV he just turned in?

They kind of did mention that you could not connect it:

"The device will not function properly or allow the use of its high-tech features. This leaves consumers with an unacceptable choice between keeping up with technology and retaining their personal privacy."

But more fear mongering there too. The features that smart tv's bring to the table are hardly so useful that you would declare it an unacceptable choice to turn them off.

Re: I’m Terrified of My New TV

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post #23
post #21

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Yes, and any mobile phone. "Ok Google" RMS was right all along. We need free software, or we will have no control over our computers. And our computers are going to be everywhere.

But since it's free, nobody will pay for it. If nobody pays for it, it won't get built. Free as in beer is the enemy of free as in freedom.

I don't understand your argument. Some of the most popular software in the world is free. Linux, Apache, OpenSSL, Firefox and more are used by millions and got built without charging people to use them.

On a personal computer, there is free software to accomplish any desktop computing task. How can you say that it wont get built when it already has been?

Re: I’m Terrified of My New TV

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If you're looking for a "dumb" TV, projectors may be one of your last options.

I just got a great Sony projector and 92" screen for less than an equivalent quality large TV would cost. The only other consideration is the size of the room and ability to limit ambient light entering the room.

Re: I’m Terrified of My New TV

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post #23
post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, and any mobile phone. "Ok Google" RMS was right all along. We need free software, or we will have no control over our computers. And our computers are going to be everywhere.

But since it's free, nobody will pay for it. If nobody pays for it, it won't get built. Free as in beer is the enemy of free as in freedom.

That's definitely true. Freedom isn't actually free.

I hope that viable business models that support free software emerge. I have a feeling that the general public will be made to suffer by this surveillance system growing around us, and will learn that like convenient Starbucks, freedom is worth paying a few extra bucks for.

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